it's a glitch in the games coding, not just on some ppls disks, it's on all disks ever pressed, it's what's called in the industry "a sprite error", fortunatealy unlike some sprite errors it does not have adverse effects like freeszing or crashing the game, it's harmless, prolly another reason why they didn't notice it in play-testing...
no its not a glich its aeriths lil hangout if i could choose where 2 stay when i died i would stay on tha couch
neways y would they put zack AND aerith in the same picture it dont make any since 2 b a glitch so it would hav 2 b on purpose
Afterwards? As in, after she died? You're supposed to. When you visit revisit Midgar, the ghost of Aeris is there, kneeling by the flowers. And I'm sure she looks up at Cloud before quickly disappearing again.Originally Posted by prayzer
When you first meet Aeris, however, a flickering figure of her shows up in the aisle behind her, while you are talking to the actual Aeris who is standing in front of you, on the flowers. The flickering thing is a glitch. Not some... silly... 'Cloud could see what was gonna happen in the future' thing. I actually noticed the flickering thing during my very first game play & knew it was a glitch.
I never paid that much attention when I first met her, so I didn't see that one. I only saw it when I revisited Midgar and went into the church later in the game.
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So, are you implying that the figure in the photo is just meaningless? I'm just trying to invent more fun into everything about the game/movie. It's nothing meaningless about that. Everything about the theory are there, they are not subtle, there you go.I bet you also think psychic mediums are legit to boot? Seriously, there's nothing there man. Let it go.
Apparently, the figure next to Cloud doesn't seem subtle, it's actually more clear. This proves that Square Enix wanted to add a real meaning to the figure, by brightening the figure's visibility because they wanted to give hints about the mystery.
That has nothing to do with the debate. It's quite, if not, 100% unusual to see ghosts in the game/movie. It's only Zack and Aeris. In ring, you see many ghosts, that's not unusual. The whole thing about Zack and Aeris is different, that's why.Oh my god guys, its like...the ring, where it shows their face distorted whenever they've rung the phone and I'm seeing comparisons between the other ghost Zack and the girl from the ring here, they're in cahoots! Look at A) The link between games and films, they're both media so they're bound to be connected and B) The way I type this confusingly which confuses you, you'll see the light.
Yeah, you should, but remember to bring reliable evidences and that will be funI should become the new wacko who posts theories about ff7 instead of ff8.
How do you know that it's a glitch in the coding? You can't prove that, unless you have the programming source. But look at the circumstance of the appearance of Aeris's ghost in the game and the appearance of Zack's ghost in the photo, both of them match, proving that the Aeris's ghost is not a glitch, despite the effect of her ghost before she died though, unless that was meant to be a prediction for Cloud. You know what's funny? He doesn't seem surprised when she died, but then again, that could be his personality [trauma casued by his mother death] but who knows.
Also, the game is almost flawness (only few glitches, but most of them are applied if you used a gameshark), so pointing at Aeris's Ghost and declaring it as a glitch is just fishy.
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Well just because you see Zack's ghost doesn't prove it wasn't a glich, it could have been and when making AC they decide to make the glich into something. I don't think Square planned that far ahead to be honest. But thats my opinion though!How do you know that it's a glitch in the coding? You can't prove that, unless you have the programming source. But look at the circumstance of the appearance of Aeris's ghost in the game and the appearance of Zack's ghost in the photo, both of them match, proving that the Aeris's ghost is not a glitch, despite the effect of her ghost before she died though, unless that was meant to be a prediction for Cloud. You know what's funny? He doesn't seem surprised when she died, but then again, that could be his personality [trauma casued by his mother death] but who knows.
When you spot Aeris's ghost, it is the Aeris sprite. Completely identical to her overworld sprite, IIRC. A solid, fully colored sprite. Zack, on the other hand, is appearing as a mostly translucent phantasm. Why would Aeris's ghost be a solid, fully colored form while Zack's is merely hinted at with lighting effects? If a ghost in FFVII are solid, Zack's ghost should be as solidly defined as all the other people in the picture, which he clearly is not. Similarly, if ghosts are more phantasmal, than Aeris's ghost should be a semitransparent version of the sprite (and they could have done that if they had meant to, because both Sephiroth's sprite and Cloud's sprite were shown as semitransparent many times in the game). I can see one of the two of them being on purpose, or neither of them, but I can't see both being intentional.
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did you know that the entire game was placed on all three disks and that the only difference between 1 2 and 3 is the fmv sequences that are placed on it? if the glitch/ghost of Aerith is on one disk then it will be on all three, how do I know this you ask? well I heard about it once and decided to try playing on disk three with disk 1 so I loaded up the game on disk 3 and while the game was running, I opened the PS and swapped the disks and played it without a single fault untill I saw one of the FMV's.
As to the "evidence" (I use the term losely) of Zack in the picture that is a complete load of smeg, as (being in property maintenence I spotted it) the "head" that you see is no more then support holding the floor, wall above.
and finally iv always wondered, why on earth does it matter? im not ownly asking this to the "picture" of Zack but the glitch of Aerith, seriously whats the big deal?
Yeah, I know what you mean. It seems like people need answers. Kinda scary.
Alright, let's say, Aeris in that Church (FF7) was a glitch, but do you still agree that there's really an existence of ghosts in the whole FF7 universe?
Hang on, how does a decision in the writing of AC several years later, prove anything about decisions made during the writing of FF7?
I find it more likely that it *was* a glitch, and if the AC picture really is supposed to show a ghost of Zack (big IF), they put it there as a nod to the hardcore of FF7 fans who have been obsessing over that glitch for a decade
i.e. if you accidentally create such a glitch, you can always ad-lib an explanation for it later on. You know, kind of like how they muddle their way through the play on the Cloud/Aeris date even if you make Cloud act completely retarded.
As for the AC photo... it does look like Zack now that you mention it, but the human brain is trained to recognise faces and quite often sees them in patterns. That's why you often see "faces" in clouds, flames, smoke, and even things like your curtains and wallpaper. So I'm sceptical. Also his "face" is part of the wall structure, which is symmetrical - there's another blob on the opposite side. His "shoulder" seems to be a reflection of a light fitting as the photo seems to have glass in front of it (see a reflection of what looks like a door or something to the left of Cid)
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Yes, the human brains are trained to recognise faces and whatever else, it's what usually happen in real life but this is a movie created by designers, so it's kind of the opposite. I mean it's quite unsual, the pixels in a good video game are usually more perfect than seeing real life things in such situations, I hope you know what I mean as it's hard to explain better. I have watched so many movies/games and I assure that FF7 only surprised me.
Since I was bored, I had fun doing this.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9274/x1di7.jpg
Copied the area of Tifa, the reason why I chose her is because she has the same hair, clothes and skin colour as Zack.
I dragged the copied Tifa area onto the exact same wall structure where the ghost of Zack is located.
(Zack's face is on the stoke, his body is under the stoke)
(Copied Tifa's face is on the stoke, her body is under the stoke)
I tried my best to make the copied Tifa area's opacity the same as the ghost of Zack. So far I think they are the same.
Let's pretend that the copied area of Tifa was intentionally placed by a AC designer. Now, come to conclusion, do they look not so clear to you? It's all because of the opacity, making it difficult to see them clearly.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7060/x12kd9.jpg
I tried to make the ghosts look more clear.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3082/x13yf2.jpg
Now, you can see the faces (because the stroke is brighter than the black wall (under the stroke). Which face is more clear? You tell me. The copied face of Tifa actually look like Yuffie, lol but it's really Tifa.
I always have had the impression that the designer added a 100% opacity image of Zack into the photo, then changed the opacity to like 25% or less.
You know the story about FF7's producer (I forget his name, sorry)? During the development of FF7, his mother has died. This is why he changed his mind and wanted to make FF7 as a little sad story by the death of Aeris to remind players about something, something about beauty or something like that. If his mother didn't die, the death of Aeris would have never happened.
He did mention that he always think about his mother (seeing his mother in real life, kind of like a ghost to remind himself how she's proud of him, etc etc). He also mentioned that he knew his mother was going to die...
So this true story makes the whole idea of Aeris being a glitch in the Chruch and the ghost in that photo (wasn't zack, just your imagination), etc etc less plausible.
I'll try to explain better why it was maybe not supposed to be a glitch after all:
He knew his mother was going to die = You'll be seeing Aeris in the Chruch before her death to remind you that she will die sooner.
His mother's ghost appearing (his imagination but in a good way) in his life = You and Cloud seeing the ghost of Aeris after her death.
In Chruch, maybe she WASN'T supposed to be flashing and disappearing because I have two theories: at that time, the designers of FF7 couldn't find out (might take them awhile to find out) how to make Aeris's opacity lower equaling the idea of being a ghost, but since they don't know how, they just have made Aeris flashing and disappearing. Flashing might not be convincing to equal the idea of being a ghost but what's the great part about it.. is that making Aeris flashing more interesting than just lowering Aeris's opacity. I believe that the designers wanted us to think whether it's a glitch or not.
Since the true story and the Aeris's ghost in FF7. Now think about the Ghost in that AC photo and the appearances of Aeris and Zack in the end of AC (Cloud seeing them near the pool in the Church).
Hah, now I have another theory. You know that the appearance of Aeris in the Chruch in FF7? Well, then why did Aeris show up again in the Chruch where everybody else were celebrating in the end of AC? That might even make the idea of Aeris's appearance in FF7 not being a glitch more plausible!
I know what you're saying, kinda, but you do see faces/illusions in games sometimes because a pattern is a pattern whether it's computer generated, human generated or natural.
A while ago I remember spotting what looked like faces and even a figure that looked like Quina from FFIX, in Everquest. However they were just random patterns in stone walls, and as they'd joined some textures with symmetry that also enhanced some of the illusions. (At the time everyone told me I was barking mad lol). So it does happen.
Your mockup looks more like Squall from FFVIIIFF's answer to the Emo has come back to haunt us
hehe
The thing about her death being based on Sakaguchi's mother was an old rumour that keeps coming back. It's been debunked on these forums a good few times nowHis mother actually died in 1988, long before FFVII's development, and it's been stated by him somewhere that Aerith's death didn't come from that (use the search thingy to find out more)
I find it most likely that they changed when she was going to die, and originally there would've been some game content within the church. They then didn't quite take her sprite out properly. They certainly didn't have AC in mind back then as at the time it hadn't even been thought of.
However, IIRC in the finale of AC you get to see her tending to the flowers with the 2 kids (from the game glitch) before she stands up and looks at Cloud? Maybe not, I can't remember... will have to re-watch sometime. Again, I think this is most likely a nod to their fans who remember the glitch from the game.
P.S. You have way too much time on your hands
stop making up theories.. you see the ghost/memory/spirit of earis.. and even the kids look up when she disappeared.. wondering where she went
this is a prelude for the intervals in AC.. where cloud and Aeris talk
and no its not a glitch.. they prob had to put some more stuff in midgar then just to get tifa's ultimate weapon
Right, so they did a prelude to the sequel film they didn't know they were going to make at the time of creating ff7? If your not being serious, I forgive you but if not, you shouldn't be telling anyone to stop making up theories.
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