A theory about Ivalice, not only in FFTA.

[Selena_Akariko]

Well, Skyblade, you're quite good at making good points.

The various areas are all arranged in a simple and random manner, but the country itself has as detailed a map as any of the others. Look at the map of FFTA: Not the areas, but the outline of the country. Compare that to the maps of FFT and FFXII. You'll see that they're nothing alike.

Well, I'll do that.

You don't know FFXII very well then. The judges in FFXII had no connection to a magical law system, and their main job was to be the personal bodyguards of House Solidor.

Yeah, didn't know that...

Well, all the people's motivations and personalities change as the time goes by, no matter if they are real or in-game. And, if FFTA says that Nono is Montblanc's brother, but none of it is mentioned in FF XII, it could be very well explained by the fact that Nono probably adored Montblanc, who's the leader of a famous and strong clan, and wanted to be realted to him. I don't see any problem about that.

I still suggest you drop this. It adds nothing to your theory and doesn't make a lot of sense, no matter how you look at it.

Kay, point taken, thought discarded...

Doesn't really make much sense to me. The book is supposed to be a nearly omnipotent force capable of reshaping the world. How does a mere collection of dreams contain that much power? Then too, what little we see of the book describes magical incantations and symbols, not anything that could be read or understood. Even Babus, a scholar in a world that contains the people who would have recorded the Grimoire (according to your theories), could make no sense of the phrase Alta Oron Sondus Kameela.

I really need to learn to phrase my thoughts better...
It is a collection of dreams, fused with ancient magic and power to make those dreams real. After all, Li-Grim and the Totema were quite powerful, and all of them were sealed in the book together with the world itself.
As to the fact book contained nothing understandable, well, it's said that it's a very old and ancient book so 1) half of the letters must have faded and 2) the writing style must have changed greatly since then. Like, Shakespear is hard to read even for those who have English as their native language, and the time between FF XII and FFTA is much longer than between Shakespear and nowadays. Finally, the book may be using a different language, or at least a different alphabet. I can write some English words in Russian letters, and nobody would be able to read them, except those who know Russian.
The fact that phrase Alta Oron Sondus Kameela didn't make any sense to Babus doesn't prove the theory wrong in any sense. We don't know how ancient the language is, and we don't know what forces were used to seal all that magic in it. The fact that Babus doesn't know it doesn't mean anything. It is quite enough if one person, the one who finished and sealed the Grimoire knew that spell-writing language. For other ones its knowledge is not nesessary.

If magic dies off when technology grows, the world of FFXII would have been impossible, since it was a combination of technology and magic. At least my addition tried to explain what happened to the powers that once existed.

You're forgetting one important factor there. In FF XII the technology and magic was very well influenced by the races. Like, Moogles are very handy with machines, Nu Mou (though I don't know if that race is present in FF XII) are keen in magic, and Bangaa in weaponary and battle technology. I don't know about the Viera, but they must have made some infuence, too.
But a world without that influence ends up like Earth or FFT and FFTA.

Um, to outside Ivalice? Ivalice is not an entire world. While the maps of all the areas may be different, they all show quite clearly that the world extends beyond just Ivalice. Ivalice is a country, (well, in FFXII, it's actually at least a supercontinent, and could be the entire world, it's talked about as though it was the whole world, but there is no real way to prove/disprove that as far as I know) but it isn't the whole world.

Well, it's only a supposition you told there. True, there are other countries, but: why are moogles called extinct? If they were just driven to other countries, people who visit them would know, right? And besides, having Nu Mou and Bangaa in their country would provide a great advantage to those countries, and they would try and conquer Ivalice. Which didn't happen, and none of the races are present in FFTA in the beginning. Therefore, the races couldn't be driven to other countries, they would have been discovered eventually.

My problem is that I know too much about all the worlds. My knowledge of FFT is a little rusty, but I am quite knowledgable about both FFTA and FFXII. And there are some serious differences in the worlds that need a serious explanation before this idea can be accepted.

Well, your knowledge will be very useful if I want this theory to be accepted. The fact that FF XII RW and TA2 can shade some more light on this subject can't be denied too, you know.
So, the main difference for now is the world map, right? What else?

Selena

Edit: after a talk with Elpizo I realized that another my problem is that I sometimes take things I'm argueing about too personally and it makes me look stupid. At least that's what he says...