The Location of Dream Zanarkand

[cally777]

Killed? By whom? The inhabitants of DZ?

Have you ever met someone who has had his memory erased/no memories? Despite what TV drama suggests, they aren't just confused; they are also highly impressionable. Puzzle pieces. What would you do if your landlord asked for the utilities check, and you had no money? You'd either:

A) pay it

Really, there's no other choice. Payment isn't always money.

Strangely my landlord is hassling me for more rent. So I kinda know what yr talking about and yet... Why couldn't YY erase Tidus memory when it really counted i.e. when his (YY's) a**e was about to be kicked.

[Tavrobel]

Because he [Tidus] is real now. Yu Yevon has no jurisdiction over the real world.

[Dr.M]

what ive always wondered is what's beyond the boarders of the DZ? is it connected to the mainland like in spira or is it, as some believe, an island somewhere out to sea with no connections to the outside world. i think its just a non-physical world that is just a dream. the only way to it is sin. the only physical thing in DZ because it was the gateway for tidus, jecht and auron to get into spira....okay wait.....now im thinking....sin disapeared at the end of the game, which means that it is part of yu yevons' dream as well. beacuse it is the the s**t end of the deal (pardon my pun). so really it dosent exist either. its just a giant flying killing whale machine...wow, i confused myself again. lol

[Mr Cactuar]

Think of it like this. Theres the real world, Spira which contains the real Zanarkand, the ruins. Then, also in the real world, but in a different sort of way is the Dream Zanarkand, which anyone can really access but then again can't because of Sin. The Dream Zanarkand is real, because people can go there from the real world and leave there to the real world, but it isn't real because its just an aeon/dream and the people who leave the Dream Zanarkand are basically an unsent. The Matrix is a great comparison.

This sort of stuff is what makes FFX so good, all the theory and religous stuff is just amazing.

[Dr.M]

the only person that went to the DZ from Spira was auron. and well he's unsent so dose that have anything to do with going back and forth?

[BG-57]

Yeah so any unsent character could theorectically travel to DZ and back. Only they don't. Of course so can the Fayth which I would count as unsent (they certainly aren't alive). Which would explain the random visits by the Fayth of Bahamut.

[jammi567]

I've wondered this for a little while, but if the people of DZ have their own will to do what they want (which we can clearly see in the game), then why have they never tried to leave their island?

[Skyblade]

I've wondered this for a little while, but if the people of DZ have their own will to do what they want (which we can clearly see in the game), then why have they never tried to leave their island?

Why do fish stay in the water? It doesn't occur to them to do otherwise. Even with free will, their island is the border of their world. It never occurs to them to leave, it doesn't occur to them that there is anything beyond there. They have their world, and their thoughts are tied to that world.

[Renmiri]

I've wondered this for a little while, but if the people of DZ have their own will to do what they want (which we can clearly see in the game), then why have they never tried to leave their island?

Why do fish stay in the water? It doesn't occur to them to do otherwise. Even with free will, their island is the border of their world. It never occurs to them to leave, it doesn't occur to them that there is anything beyond there. They have their world, and their thoughts are tied to that world.

There is also some speculation that Yu Yevon "resets" those who find out the true nature of the city. A bit like "the Matrix", those who know get chased and destroyed... Can't really remember if that is fan theory or Ultimania though.

[Dr.M]

alright so, the dead can make it to the DZ but the thought dosent occour to them and same gose for the people of the DZ. their oblivous to it

[Skyblade]

alright so, the dead can make it to the DZ but the thought dosent occour to them and same gose for the people of the DZ. their oblivous to it

That's the way I saw it. Which is part of the reason why, when Jecht left, no one thought of setting out to search for him. No one thought that he might still be out there. He left their world, so he was gone.

As to why Jecht left, I don't think even he was looking for something beyond DZ, but, since we're not told the reasons for his trip, we can't really know for sure.

[BG-57]

Look at it this way: most of the time when you dream you aren't aware that you're dreaming. You simply accept the reality and boundaries of the dream without question.

[Dr.M]

alright so, the dead can make it to the DZ but the thought dosent occour to them and same gose for the people of the DZ. their oblivous to it

That's the way I saw it. Which is part of the reason why, when Jecht left, no one thought of setting out to search for him. No one thought that he might still be out there. He left their world, so he was gone.

As to why Jecht left, I don't think even he was looking for something beyond DZ, but, since we're not told the reasons for his trip, we can't really know for sure.

hmm alright, but i thought he went out on that boat for blitzball training.

Look at it this way: most of the time when you dream you aren't aware that you're dreaming. You simply accept the reality and boundaries of the dream without question.

yeah that makes a lot of scene



so we understand why the people dont venture out past the boarders of the city but we still havent worked out WHERE DZ is... since you know, that is the reason why were talking about this lol.

[BG-57]

Well, DZ is shown in a inset in the world map that Renmiri linked. It's an island, and surrounded by water, and far enough from any major landmass that it's isolated. So it could be in any ocean. I'd guess it's in the far corner of the map, like Round Island in FFVII.

[cally777]

Sorry to drag the discussion back, but I'm not convinced by the explanations for DZ people not leaving.

I've wondered this for a little while, but if the people of DZ have their own will to do what they want (which we can clearly see in the game), then why have they never tried to leave their island?

Why do fish stay in the water? It doesn't occur to them to do otherwise. Even with free will, their island is the border of their world. It never occurs to them to leave, it doesn't occur to them that there is anything beyond there. They have their world, and their thoughts are tied to that world.

Look at it this way: most of the time when you dream you aren't aware that you're dreaming. You simply accept the reality and boundaries of the dream without question.

People are not fish and as for dreams the DZ people believe theirs is real so its no different to real life. Jecht did leave and people did notice (Tidus memories show this), even if they mistakenly thought he died.

I think a nearer comparison than the Matrix is the Truman Show.
For a while you can fool people not to leave the "bubble" they are in, but not for ever, and not for 1000 years.