Brady vs. Manning

[Bloodline666]

This Sunday, for the first time in NFL History, two teams 7-0 or better are facing each other. And it's not just ANY two teams; it's the New England Patriots (8-0) and the defending World Champion, Indianapolis Colts (7-0).

And I can't bring up such a topic without first bringing up the debate of who the better quarterback is.


Tom Brady?


or Peyton Manning?

[edczxcvbnm]

Manning. Have you seen those commercials XD

[Bloodline666]

Manning. Have you seen those commercials XD

lol. "With NFL Sunday Ticket on DirecTV, you can watch up to 14 games every Sunday, so instead of watching this, you can watch my brother, Eli play against the Cowboys! Oh, I gotta run!" *snaps the ball* "Actually, I think I'll pass!" *throws a TD pass*

I swear, I can't get those commercials out of my head.

[Kirobaito]

Manning. Have you seen those commercials XD

lol. "With NFL Sunday Ticket on DirecTV, you can watch up to 14 games every Sunday, so instead of watching this, you can watch my brother, Eli play against the Cowboys! Oh, I gotta run!" *snaps the ball* "Actually, I think I'll pass!" *throws a TD pass*

I swear, I can't get those commercials out of my head.

That commercial in particular is so unrealistic... he's throwing a TD pass up 28-3 in the 4th quarter. That's something Brady would be doing.

[Bloodline666]

Manning. Have you seen those commercials XD

lol. "With NFL Sunday Ticket on DirecTV, you can watch up to 14 games every Sunday, so instead of watching this, you can watch my brother, Eli play against the Cowboys! Oh, I gotta run!" *snaps the ball* "Actually, I think I'll pass!" *throws a TD pass*

I swear, I can't get those commercials out of my head.

That commercial in particular is so unrealistic... he's throwing a TD pass up 28-3 in the 4th quarter. That's something Brady would be doing.

Hah! Brady and his running up of the score!

I finally figured out why the Cheatriots have been running up the score!
Remember that Bills/Oilers playoff game in the 92 season where Buffalo (with their BACKUP QB, no less) erased a 35-3 deficit to win 41-38 in OT? Belicheat probably had the team watch that game, and they were quickly reminded of their own 21-3 lead they blew, and figured, "The only way to prevent these kind of chokes is to simply score more points, regardless of the lead you hold. No lead is safe, you know! Not even a 32-point lead, as we just saw here! And an 18 point lead ain't safe, either, as we just experienced! I don't wanna see another big lead disappearing, and I don't want to lose another game because of it, so stop choking and RUN UP THE SCORE!"

[escobert]

Manning. Have you seen those commercials XD

lol. "With NFL Sunday Ticket on DirecTV, you can watch up to 14 games every Sunday, so instead of watching this, you can watch my brother, Eli play against the Cowboys! Oh, I gotta run!" *snaps the ball* "Actually, I think I'll pass!" *throws a TD pass*

I swear, I can't get those commercials out of my head.

That commercial in particular is so unrealistic... he's throwing a TD pass up 28-3 in the 4th quarter. That's something Brady would be doing.

For real. liek everyone was all about he he threw 56 TD passes in miami, but uhh last I checked miamis d is old and crippel and the team is 0-8

[ljkkjlcm9]

wow, it's wonderful how everyone likes to pick on the Patriots.

Firstly, Tom Brady wasn't even in the 4th quarter. Secondly, they're playing the Colts this week. You relax and step back and take the little mistakes against a team you can get away with it with, and then you're screwed when you play a good team where you have to be on top of your game. Whether people want to accept it or not, by the end of the Redskins game, it wasn't about the Redskins. It was about preparing for the Colts the following week, and staying on top of their game. And I still don't understand what the big deal is.

People are upset because these are scores you'd see in mismatched college teams... not in the Pros. But guess what, the Patriots are that good. You shouldn't be complaining about why the Patriots are scoring so much it should be why the other team is so bad in comparison in a professional league. It should simply be that the other team should be good enough that the Patriots can't run up the score. So whatever you think of it, stop thinking the Patriots and Belichick are evil for it and start wondering why in a professional league, other teams can't even compete.

THE JACKEL

[Bloodline666]

wow, it's wonderful how everyone likes to pick on the Patriots.

Firstly, Tom Brady wasn't even in the 4th quarter. Secondly, they're playing the Colts this week. You relax and step back and take the little mistakes against a team you can get away with it with, and then you're screwed when you play a good team where you have to be on top of your game. Whether people want to accept it or not, by the end of the Redskins game, it wasn't about the Redskins. It was about preparing for the Colts the following week, and staying on top of their game. And I still don't understand what the big deal is.

People are upset because these are scores you'd see in mismatched college teams... not in the Pros. But guess what, the Patriots are that good. You shouldn't be complaining about why the Patriots are scoring so much it should be why the other team is so bad in comparison in a professional league. It should simply be that the other team should be good enough that the Patriots can't run up the score. So whatever you think of it, stop thinking the Patriots and Belichick are evil for it and start wondering why in a professional league, other teams can't even compete.

THE JACKAL

It's not just the "running up the score" controversy that people are upset about. Don't forget, the Pats also carry the stigma of Spygate with them! As a matter of fact, people are upset about this "running up the score" crap BECAUSE the Pats have used (and may STILL be using) subterfuge such as Spygate to accomplish it. And even though I'm a Cowboys fan and it pains me to have to defend the Redskins, I have reason to believe that last week, there was more subterfuge going on with the Pats. Through almost the whole first half, the Redskins' coaching staff had headset communication problems. According to the NFL's rules, if one team's headset communication is not working properly, then it is mandatory for the other team to shut theirs off until the headset communication system in question starts working properly. I have reason to believe the Pats did not do that, and I am quite surprised there was not even a hint of controversy over that, given the whole spygate thing that erupted earlier this season (they've apparently done it in the past, so the fact that Week 1 was not an isolated incident with the Pats does lead me to believe that Spygate may STILL be going on with that particular team). I feel the Pats' "success" over the last 6-7 years, even in this season, is tainted because of subterfuge like this. It matters not whether or not it affects the outcome of the game; cheating is still cheating, and it's still wrong.

Long story short, I feel that while Brady's individual talents are impressive, his success does carry the stigma of the subterfuge committed by his team's coaching staff. If NCAA rules were intact at the NFL level, his Super Bowl rings and Super Bowl MVP trophies would be surrendered to Commissioner Goodell's office (one minor NCAA infraction by a player or school, and his team could forfeit wins, and possibly National Championships, as well as an individual player surrendering his individual awards, including the Heisman - look at the crap Reggie Bush and the USC program are facing over Bush's illegal acquisition of money). Of course, I find it screwed up how College football's penalties are MUCH stiffer than the NFL's, which is supposed to be a higher level than College ball. So I'd have to go with Manning on this one.

If this game comes down to an Adam Vinatieri FG, I am willing to bet that Belicheat have a minimum of one time out saved, so he can gonna pull off the controversial-yet-still-legal place-kicker freezer, at the last possible second before the snap, no less, which worked with Shanahan against Oakland and with Kiffin against Cleveland, but backfired with Jauron against Dallas this season. (this whole icing-the-kicker shenanigans will find its way to the Competition Committee during the off-season, I can guarantee you that; this is one of those situations where I'm glad my team's owner is on it)

[ljkkjlcm9]

the fact of the matter is, in years past, other teams did the same thing the Patriots were doing. The difference? The teams would ask the other to stop. It's only because the Jets coach used to work for the Patriots that it became a huge issue. He was a big crybaby. The fact of the matter is taping the other teams "signals" would barely have use in the same game. If anything it wouldn't be used until later games.

The Patriots are a good team, and people are trying to find reasons to tare them down. "Past 6-7 years because of cheating." Yeah that's complete crap. It doesn't matter what you do off the field, you still have to perform well on the field.

The problem is America loves underdog stories. Everyone is sick of the Patriots being a powerhouse of football, and so they're trying to give every reason possible to dislike them. But at the end of the day, no matter what happens, they keep pushing on and doing their thing. They ignore all the BS everyone comes to push on them.

For anyone to say anything about Manning being better than Brady, I truly don't understand it. I get in this conversation with my friends, and their reason is just, Peyton Manning is awesome. But they can't name a single thing that actually makes him better than Brady. Personally, I hate Manning. He was deemed amazing before doing anything, by sheer legacy. Brady won the Superbowl his first season, and has only continued to improve. I can't see a single reason for anyone to truly say Manning is so much better than Brady.

THE JACKEL

[Bunny]

Colts are not defending World Champions. They have not played the world yet. As for football, it is boring and stinky.

[Bloodline666]

the fact of the matter is, in years past, other teams did the same thing the Patriots were doing. The difference? The teams would ask the other to stop. It's only because the Jets coach used to work for the Patriots that it became a huge issue. He was a big crybaby. The fact of the matter is taping the other teams "signals" would barely have use in the same game. If anything it wouldn't be used until later games.

The Patriots are a good team, and people are trying to find reasons to tare them down. "Past 6-7 years because of cheating." Yeah that's complete crap. It doesn't matter what you do off the field, you still have to perform well on the field.

The problem is America loves underdog stories. Everyone is sick of the Patriots being a powerhouse of football, and so they're trying to give every reason possible to dislike them. But at the end of the day, no matter what happens, they keep pushing on and doing their thing. They ignore all the BS everyone comes to push on them.

For anyone to say anything about Manning being better than Brady, I truly don't understand it. I get in this conversation with my friends, and their reason is just, Peyton Manning is awesome. But they can't name a single thing that actually makes him better than Brady. Personally, I hate Manning. He was deemed amazing before doing anything, by sheer legacy. Brady won the Superbowl his first season, and has only continued to improve. I can't see a single reason for anyone to truly say Manning is so much better than Brady.

THE JACKAL

Let's get something straight here; the Pats were not snitched on, they were busted. Those tapes were even confiscated by NFL security at that very game!

Secondly, those other teams who have allegedly done the same thing were never proven guilty. Therefore, by virtue of "innocent until proven guilty", they are still innocent.

Another thing that should raise suspicion here is this: this season, the Pats are 8-0 against the spread, according to various sports gambling sources. This does raise the possibility of SOMEONE within the Patriots organization betting on games. Could be Brady, could be Moss, could be Welker, could be Bruschi, could be Vrabel, could be that drug cheat Rodney Harrison, could be Belichick, could even be Kraft...I don't know. But when the Pats are favored by something like, 1-17 points on the spread, and they pull off blowouts by "running up the score", I can't help but be suspicious of betting on games within the Pats organization here.

Bottom line, Manning is the better QB. Brady's team can't even beat Manning's, let alone win ANY Super Bowls, without some form of cheating! Whether it's spygate, keeping their headset communication system intact while the other team's is not working (I know this because the Redskins reported the headset communication problem, and clearly SAW the Pats coaches with their headsets on), cheapshots from Vrabel and Wilfork, or getting away with blatant pass interference (which is exactly how they beat the Colts in those AFC Championship Games).

Manning, on the other hand, won his Super Bowl fair and square. Without any spygate or any other similar subterfuge. So unless you can prove that any other teams have done this crap, unless you actually have evidence other than hearsay to prove it, those other teams are still innocent.

As for your statement of "doesn't matter what happens off the field", I believe I made a thread during the off-season about off-the-field misconduct. Need I bring up the likes of Pacman Jones, Chris Henry and Michael Vick? They all broke the law, and are suspended from the NFL because of it (Chris Henry's is set to expire the week after next, I believe; I'm not sure whether the Bengals have had their bye week yet). However, I am putting an asterick on Tank Johnson's off-the-field issues, because he got suspended for off-the-field misconduct last season due to what I perceive as his constitutional rights being violated (I believe his second amendment rights were violated (Illinois is a state that treats the second amendment like it doesn't exist), and probably his fourth amendment rights, as well; I'm not even sure whether or not the cop that initially arrested him for gun possession had a warrant to search his home). Also note that an unfair competitive advantage can be gained off-the-field, as well. On the sideline, as seen by the Pats' coaching staff, and even Rodney Harrison doing HGH. What's next? Randy Moss using Stickum (which was banned by the league in 1981 due to Lester "The Judge" Hayes' liberal use of it that led to 13 interceptions, plus 4 or 5 more called back due to penalties)? I'll be laughing if NFL security finds Stickum in the Pats' locker room.

Anyway, I'm done arguing about all this. You've stated your case, I've stated mine.

[Madame Adequate]

I know who Manning is. I've never heard of Brady before, or if I have, I've forgotten. Simple fame means he must be better. My logic is igfallible.

[Ouch!]

Manning, hands down. Brady is good, but Manning's amazing, arguably the best ever.

[blim]

Bernard Manning?

[Laddy]

Tom Brady, not that I care.