Ok i got to Ultima eventually, and killed her in less than 5 minutes, so the problem isnt her, its getting back out that is causing the problem, the only way i can see that i can do it is back-tracking the same way i came, [as i used to Way Stone to the right that is supposed to lead you almost out but thats a lie as it sent me somewhere totally different than out!!!!] and if that is the case id actually rather swallow my tongue as it took nearly an hour to get to her, so anyone know a fast route out??its reli annoyin me now