for all of you that hate ff7...

[Avarice-ness]

You can say that about any of the games.

Or anyTHING, really.

not really, I don't see much over analyzation of anything in the Nintendo era of games. People pretty much took things at face value.

THE JACKAL

Agree'd.

I mean most things in the FF1-FF6 threads actually have to do with the game or things ingame like battles or weapons or favorite skills..

Where as, recently, in the FFVII-FFX forums there have been an increasing amount of theory threads. Granted I can account this ALOT too the whole ultimania guides, seeing as most FFVII "theory's" are based from what the guides say, but I personally think that what happened in the games is the one and only thing that happened and I disregard things like these books that came out 7 to 10 years after the games release.

Either way, the only kind of analyzing older games tend to have is something having to do with a characters background or something like that, for the older ones.. it's trying to find some deep meaningful theory that really means nothing.

[Forsaken Lover]

One can overanalyze anything or simplify anything.


What Square did with the Playstation games is make the illusion of depth. I can go on and on about the quotes of Squall's toturous past and his emotional state and blah blah blah. That may seem like a lot of "depth" but what it is in reality is waffle to add to the character.

There is nothing iN Squall Leonheart or Tidus or Cloud Strife that sets them apart from any of the earlier heroes in terms of personality or character. They're all pretty standard for almost any work of fiction.

[Cloudane]

I usually don't like coming into the later generation forums, because people always try to over analyze the game and such, and put more meaning into things then there needs to be.

You mean like studying a couple of shadows and a little nobbly bit on a wall and going on for about 15 pages insisting that it's the ghost of Zack?

[Raebus]

I think AK proved that star wars and Final fantasy 7 were related in some ways, in that thread.

[Kenshin IV]

You can say that about any of the games.

Or anyTHING, really.

not really, I don't see much over analyzation of anything in the Nintendo era of games. People pretty much took things at face value.

THE JACKAL

That's because you're a fanboy and blinded by fanboyism.

It's okay though, you're not the only one. Everyone is that way.

[ljkkjlcm9]

You can say that about any of the games.

Or anyTHING, really.

not really, I don't see much over analyzation of anything in the Nintendo era of games. People pretty much took things at face value.

THE JACKAL

That's because you're a fanboy and blinded by fanboyism.

It's okay though, you're not the only one. Everyone is that way.

No actually.

I prefer FFVI, it's probably my favorite FF, but I honestly couldn't play through it again. In fact, the only way I could replay any of the older FF games is if I had some incentive. But I actually just want to replay FFVIII and IX for some reason.

And I use to think FFVI was my favorite game, but after playing more and more games... it's not that spectacular to me anymore. Still my favorite FF though.

THE JACKEL

[Kenshin IV]

That doesn't make you not a fanboy.

The fact that you post on this forum, not to mention the fact that you think "older" games don't get over analyzed, makes you a fanboy.

[ljkkjlcm9]

That doesn't make you not a fanboy.

The fact that you post on this forum, not to mention the fact that you think "older" games don't get over analyzed, makes you a fanboy.

understood
so liking the games enough to buy them when I own the system makes me a fanboy. I usually classify fanboys as the type that will buy a system just for a game. I never bought a playstation, only played FFIX on a friends, and FFVII and VIII on the PC. Have no desire to buy a system just to play the later installment of games. Roommate bought PSP just for God of War. Last roommate bought a Wii just for Smash Bros Brawl. Those I classify as fanboys.

And the reason i feel older games don't get over analyzed is simple. Look at the topics in their sections, and look at the topics in the later games sections. That's how it IS.

THE JACKEL

[Kenshin IV]

I see a topic right on the front page of the Six section that asks if people have cried over it. I'm guessing your idea of "over analyzation" is as loose as your idea of what a fanboy is.

[Mercen-X]

Agree'd.

I mean most things in the FF1-FF6 threads actually have to do with the game or things ingame like battles or weapons or favorite skills..

Where as, recently, in the FFVII-FFX forums there have been an increasing amount of theory threads. Granted I can account this ALOT too the whole ultimania guides, seeing as most FFVII "theory's" are based from what the guides say, but I personally think that what happened in the games is the one and only thing that happened and I disregard things like these books that came out 7 to 10 years after the games release.

Either way, the only kind of analyzing older games tend to have is something having to do with a characters background or something like that, for the older ones.. it's trying to find some deep meaningful theory that really means nothing.

The games up to 6 were primarily for the diehards who loved gaming as a way to escape a boring life. They treated it as a hobby. Once 7 was released, it provided more space for people to actually think because in the post-6 generation, kids really didn't want to think about anything. I know I didn't. After playing 7, I suddenly found myself wondering about a lot of different things. These sometimes nonsensical theories that tend to clutter the "7-up" forums may seem out of place, but I believe it's healthy for gamers to express their pov's and get decent feedback.
But I do think some take it too far.

The fact that the games tend to make you think also adds replay value. Some may not realize it, but they end up playing through the game again to better understand things they didn't quite grasp the first time through.

[Kenshin IV]

Now you're over analyzing. Games are played for fun now just as much as they were 10 years ago, and just as much as they were 20 years ago. The whole idea of what you take out of the game is entirely up to individual.

[Randgris]

The game was good. But when you walk around wielding a ridiculously large sword, violet outfit, bleached your hair blonde and used 10,000 bottles of gel just to style it, it gets pretty annoying. WHy can't they just go like "oh FFVII that's a great game back then..." no more "oh did you know?... yada... yada... yada..." stuff.

[Mikeneko Rocker -- Tim]

To be blunt, them F***ing Final Fantasy VII Fanboys ruined it for me and my chances to even consider the game. >_>

Yeah, I voted for "Fanbase".

[Mirage]

Fanbase. Also, disregarding a game/film/book/other media just cause some people like it very much seems pretty narrow minded.

[Wolf Kanno]

For the "Over analyzing debate", good stories are written in a way to be enjoyed on many levels and I do feel that some level of analysis is needed to enjoy some of the games a bit. The problem is knowing what can and should be analyzed. I do feel the pre-VII FF have a fair share of elements that can be anaylized, plot holes and deeper meaning about the characters are all very plausible as well as minor background info (Lunarians influence on IV world, The pre-Ex-Death world of V, and the War of the Magi) but then there are stuff you shouldn't bother with... (Lunarian society, the lives of the warriors trapped in the crystals in V, and how the esper system logically works in VI).

The later games have these issues as well but they have more issues and I think its because the fans don't realize that they games were written to sound deep, when in fact its they are not really deep to begin with.. VII's Ultimania guide explains things pretty well and elements like Jenova and the Reunion are actally quite simple but fans like to make them out to be bigger than they really are. Other elements don't have enough info to really go into any factual analysis . Most specualtion I see anymore in the VII forums are trying to fit the Compliation into the main VII world but it escaps the fans logic that the Compilation wasn't written to compliment the original mythos, its just adding stuff they think the fans want. Sephiroth doesn't have cat eyes, or a single wing he can make appear when he wants, his mind is not so powerful it can take physical form and allows him to escape death even after the Lifestream extinguishes his very essence at the end of the original game. Aerith is dead, Zack is dead, their spirits don't haunt Cloud and their is no way they can get them back.

Time travel of VIII and the Metaphysics of X are prime examples of what I mean. If you look at them from a logical point of view and based on what the games explain, they make absolutely no sense and much of the plot begins to fall apart. They were not written to be have some deep meaning but rather as a simple plot device. In the end, you just have to accept what the games tell you in blind faith in order to enjoy the stories. To be fair, all the FFs have these elements in their stories. This of course is just my personal opinion though...