I dont get what your all talking about, grinding my gears is my favourite part of the day
I dont get what your all talking about, grinding my gears is my favourite part of the day
Kefka's coming, look intimidating!
Have a nice day!!
Christmas has been a moneyspending event even before the birth of Jesus (whoever believes to him). Same goes for easter, you remember how Jesus rode to Jerusalem with a donkey during easter? He wasn't dead by then so eastern wasn't originally the celebration of his reincarnation. Bible has just tried to explain all sorts of events with it's own style.Originally Posted by NeoCracker
Last edited by KuRt; 12-16-2007 at 11:17 PM.
i dont think the christmas you celebrate is the same christmas christians were supposed to have.. red fat guys dont really get mentioned in the bible.. so youve got nothing to whine about
exactly. Most holidays aren't biblical by origin so go have some fun on Xmas, Neocracker
actually.. most holidays are.. but no one remembers.. i mean easter wasnt supposed to be about rabbits and colored eggs..
The early Christians just based their holidays around the same time as the Pagans celebrated their holidays.
Christmas: Winter Solstice. Who wouldn't celebrate the lengthening of the days? But, the Christians wanted a holiday then, so they just decided that they'd throw the birth of Jesus at around that time.
Easter: A General Spring holiday - so much happens in Spring, it can all be celebrated! Again, the Christians probably decided that because the PAGANS had a holiday then, they had to have a holiday - and the resurrection of Jesus sounded good. ;D
Well, that's my reasoning for the holiday placements.
It seems like everytime I make a foray into the dolling community I get a little angry because it's been changed from a counter culture art form to being a stay-at-home mom feel good machine. The forums won't allow you to disagree with other members, you are restricted in the utmost to how you can use materials people release, and there's just a pent up feeling there. I share my little gospel of 'holy crap guys they are tying you up like a pitbull' but it goes unnoticed or they've convinced themselves there is no issue.
The initial reason for strict rules? People would take credit for stuff they didn't make of course. The strict codes of behavior? People would find out about these people and go on 'witchhunts' to publicly shame them.
It's just so ridiculous and constricting. Also their websites are bastions of bad coding and design.
yeah.. that must be it.. besides the fact that the Jews invented easter, still being called pesach back then. and they had their own calander, so i really doubt that they adjusted it to the pagans.. and its not like Jesus was born on christmas day.. no noo.. they just decided to celebrate it on that day, because the pagans did something then..The early Christians just based their holidays around the same time as the Pagans celebrated their holidays.
Christmas: Winter Solstice. Who wouldn't celebrate the lengthening of the days? But, the Christians wanted a holiday then, so they just decided that they'd throw the birth of Jesus at around that time.
Easter: A General Spring holiday - so much happens in Spring, it can all be celebrated! Again, the Christians probably decided that because the PAGANS had a holiday then, they had to have a holiday - and the resurrection of Jesus sounded good. ;D
Well, that's my reasoning for the holiday placements.
.. if you are not smart enough to understand.. that was sarcasm
My sister. Selfish mofoing b***h. Meine Gott.
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She steals my stuff, can't repect that we have different feelings on things, and she thinks she can argue while all she ever does is constantly repeat the same very unreasonable statement until people agree with her simply because they feel like their brain has turned to milk.
WTF.
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That's exactly what happened. :P
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Really? I was under the impression that the primary purpose of school was to brainwash children to conform them to the mindless drones they want in society. Education has always been an afterthought.
Say what you want about Saddam Hussein, but at least he kept order which is more than we're doing over there.
Now, Christmas. I was just asking myself the other day why we do this every year. We just do this for seemingly no real purpose. The best answer I can come up with is tradition. Tradition. Apparently the majority of people haven't read The Lottery.
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Wow.Really? I was under the impression that the primary purpose of school was to brainwash children to conform them to the mindless drones they want in society. Education has always been an afterthought.
Say what you want about Saddam Hussein, but at least he kept order which is more than we're doing over there.
Now, Christmas. I was just asking myself the other day why we do this every year. We just do this for seemingly no real purpose. The best answer I can come up with is tradition. Tradition. Apparently the majority of people haven't read The Lottery.
1) Stop being paranoid. You seriously sound like one of those people who hangs around back stage at punk concerts talking about how much society sucks and how they're the only people left in the world capable of free thought.
2) Order through genocide? Yup yup.
3) I certainly hope that by "we" you mean "you" because I do it for an actual reason. Because I, along with my family, enjoy it.
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First, it's not really the business's that bother me, its the people who get so absorbed into this commercialism that bother me.We're both going to hell together Psy, and no amount of repenting is going to save us! The little lie about being a turkey is the least of your problems and reasons for going to hell, jackass.
Well, I'm inclined to agree and disagree with you NC, Firstly I'll point out something even stranger than us somehow knowing that the 25th of december is the day Christ came to earth; the 30 day (average) month and the 7 day week have not been around eternally. In fact the Roman calendar had a 10 day week and I believe less months in the year, so therefore Christmas day would not have been on the 25th day of the 12th month or if it was it'd be highly unlikely. I could enter in to my whole debate of disproving the existence of God and the Devil based on the christianity compared to celtic beliefs, holidays and gods.
The fact that in most countries which are part of the commonwealth or were once ruled by the respective empires of many european countries (this is probably a huge portion of countries in the world) which converted to christianity with their new rulers have christmas as a national holiday is a throwback to when religion and state were very much intertwined and now it has become tradition it's hard to change. I used to study law and one of the first things I learnt is that legal judgements are not only based on the law but the moral and traditional values of a place. Therefore law was an uncertain thing.
The whole gift thing is quite strange to be honest. I know in the UK it used to be tradition to give presents on the 26th of december, boxing day. (which is where the name derives from not as I used to believe as a child because there was always boxing on boxing day) In other countries such as Poland it is Christmas Eve which is highly important religiously and traditionally. I guess the gift giving started out as some kind of gesture from the ruling class to the proletarian classes (working classes) A gift of a day off, some fresh fruit or salted meat ect ect it's become traditional and now everyone is giving gifts. Personally however I follow a great tradition of if someone is bad towards me they get no presents at christmas, this way of making children behave for me works to save me money as an adult. I have not brought my mother and sister a present now in over 5 years.
Commercialism, there has to be some point we draw the line at with this, sure people want to make money but some places are now taking it too far, I work in a store which sells a wide range of items, primarily it is meant to be a grocery store, food. That is what one traditionally buys in a supermarket, our store and indeed my department sells electricals, homeware, kitchen ware, toys, bedding all kinds of stuff. I remember seeing the first "christmas lines" deliveries in August and September. Other shops like Harrods have had christmas grottos since August. Bloody hell August is still mid summer, the educational year has yet to begin, the weather is still good, harvest time has yet to be done. I know however come the end of january I will see easter eggs comming in to my store for the easter period. I think this is my biggest gripe with the commercial society the modern world lives by.
School holidays were probably originally set when state and religion was very much intertwined don't forget in countries such as the uk it used to be called Heresy to not believe in god and heretics were burnt at the stake or given to the inquisition to torture and kill.
What personally grinds my gears?
The war on terrorism.
Now I have the utmost respect for soldiers who have gone to fight for their countries and I truly think they done some good in the world by taking Saddam Hussein out of power and also taking the corrupt Afghanistani government down. I think the anti war protestors are stupid, we're at war you protest before we go to war not once we're fighting it...once commited to a course of action there is no going back, don't like the way someone leads your country don't vote them in to power for another damn term. So many of my friends went to the anti war protests in London and all tried to get me to go with them but I am in a sense pro war and refused.
I just believe the war on terrorism can never be truly won. I mean, whenever someone sets rules or laws there are those who will be malcontent with these rules or laws. Most will merely whine about them impotently whilst still following the rules/laws. Some will refuse to follow the laws/rules and break or bend them when they can and protest these laws publicly trying to get them changed. There will however always be someone or some people I should say who will see these laws/rules and decide that not only do they not agree with the laws/rules but will fight physically to get them changed, these people are terrorists in the eyes of governments everywhere. Some terrorists will fight against government targets and government employees, if these organisations become big enough with enough political clout they're classed as rebellions. Other terrorists will see anyone who accepts these laws, upholds these laws, protects these laws as viable targets. These people like the islamic extremists responsible for 9/11 kill innocent people.
In this war on terrorism we're trying to stomp out the terrorists, yet we're setting up law and order, rules and regulations. In effect we're breeding more terrorists. And yes, I do believe we will cause future terrorists in this war on terrorism. You can already see it's happening out there in our cities, our schools, our religious fanes. What George W Bush and Tony Blair have effectively put in motion is a war which can never be won, never be declared over because there will always be terrorists. Now if they reset the target of the war on terrorism to be "lets take down the corrupt governments in the middle east and establish governments which will help their people prosper in the modern world." I believe it is something attainable.
Other than that, were exactly are we disagreeing?
And Bert, I refuse to enjoy Christmas. Not only is it pointless and meaningless to me even without the Christian holiday thing, but I hate Christmas music.
And finally, I already know the Origins of Christmas aren't exactly with Christianity.
However the origins don't mean much, what matters is that now it is a Christian holiday, and it seems that its why its national. If it weren't national, there wouldn't be some large groups of Athiest's and jews fighting it. There would be a large number of Christians doing it though. and while there will be some that honestly want it around for traditions sake, most of them will be fighting to keep it simply because of their religious beliefs.
There is no reason for Christmas to be a national holiday. At all.
Of course, I have issues with tradition too. :P
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