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I think he's being intentionally dense.Originally Posted by charliepanayi
You're a bit late, they're already out aren't they?
Well, the National Nightmare continues...a team that should have been banned from post-season play this year is now a game away from the Super Bowl...
Are you as sad as I am? I should hope so, because this is an epic travesty.
Goddammit.
Sweet God. Mr. Brady goes 26 of 28 against one of the toughest D's in all of the NFL and they still manage to get 100 yards on the ground. Oh and that Moss guy (I hear he's pretty good) only caught one ball.
Spygate was blown way way waaaaay out of proportion. As my own coach Shanahan once was quoted, "If we haven't figured out the other team's defensive signals by halftime, we aren't trying hard enough". They already got punished, as I've said many times, any bad press is just giving them more fuel for their fire.
I don't even like the Patriots, but to say that they aren't one of the greatest teams ever is just ignorant. That offense is straight up disgusting and that defense is once again proving that they're not "too old" to get the job done.
What I've been listening to:
Antonio Gates is one BAMF. To even play with a dislocated toe is absurd.
What even the media at large does NOT bring up is the fact that the Pats' cheating dates all the way back...to the strike-shortened season of 1982, when they played against the Miami Dolphins at Foxboro Stadium (then called Schaefer Stadium) in a game that was scoreless until the middle of the 4th quarter, when the Pats got into Field Goal range, and called a time-out, because they knew there was an inmate on work release operating the snow plow. They coerced the snowplow operator to drive the snowplow on the field to clear a spot for the field goal, much to the chagrin of an angry Don Shula. The field goal was good, and those were the only points scored in that game. To prevent such a blatant act of cheating from ever happening again, Shula, who was on the competition committee, proposed a rule outlawing the use of snowplows on the field of play. The rule passed, and now, kickers and holders have to clear a field goal spot with their own hands and feet.
That, coupled with Spygate, should be enough to make everything the Pats have done from 1982 until now suspect...even the two Super Bowls they went to with Tony Eason and Drew Bledsoe under center. By the way, the Super Bowl they lost to the Packers in...the ringleader of the Spygate operation (Belichick) was on the Pats' coaching staff under the Tuna.
...Why?
Because of "Spygate"? Something that got blown out of proportion, many teams in the NFL do, and is really stupid because if you just watch the team you'll see that the work done by the offensive line, the wide receivers, the QB and the Running backs are what push the offensive, not defensive signs.
But then again, I guess everyone hates winners.
EDIT: Total love the fact Green Bay one, Favre is awesome, I love to see the older guys still showing how its done :o
Last edited by Goldenboko; 01-13-2008 at 08:01 PM.
Not only because of Spygate, but because of how they were punished for it. Here's a few ways I think they probably should have been punished!...Why?
Because of "Spygate"? Something that got blown out of proportion, many teams in the NFL do, and is really stupid because if you just watch the team you'll see that the work done by the offensive line, the wide receivers, the QB and the Running backs are what push the offensive, not defensive signs.
But then again, I guess everyone hates winners.
EDIT: Total love the fact Green Bay one, Favre is awesome, I love to see the older guys still showing how its done :o
- At minimum, the outcome of the Jets game where they were caught reversed
- AFC East Division title, should they mathematically win it (which they did), surrendered to the second-place team (which this season would be the Bills)
- Ban from 2007 Playoffs, regardless of record, division title, or wild card status
- The draft pick they received from San Francisco either stripped or surrendered to another team (they lost their own 1st round draft pick, not San Fran's, who I think finished with 4 wins, and thus, they pick 7th as a result)
- OR, at maximum, automatic 0-16, banned for the season, and all non-division opponents on their schedule awarded a win, with division opponents awarded 2 wins
See, if a team did this on the NCAA level, which is a LOWER tier than the NFL, that team would be surrendering wins, and possibly National Titles. In the Olympics, which is believed to be the highest tier in sports, any form of cheating, drug or otherwise, results in surrendering medals (look at Marion Jones). I don't get how the NFL (or the other major professional sports leagues, for that matter) has LOWER standards than the NCAA, and to me, that is sad! I do not take kindly to cheating at all, even to the most minor of degrees! Cheating is still cheating, and I feel that cheaters should never be rewarded, period! I feel that the NFL has been doing so, as evidenced by the lack of an asterisk by their 2007 season and records associated with it, not to mention the fact that the Commish destroyed the confiscated tapes without even letting the public know the full extent of Spygate. Those destroyed tapes could be a LOT more damning to the Pats than the one they got busted with. Those tapes could have contained evidence that Spygate had been going on for YEARS, thus putting a HUGE stain on the Super Bowls that they won, especially when you consider the fact that the Pats won all three of those Super Bowls by a margin of three points each. Somehow, I think the true extent of Spygate was covered up by the Commissioner.
No, we hate cheaters for all and more of the reasons stated in the post previous.
The last I checked, this was still a sport. Sports imply some form of honor system and the ever present "sportsmanlike conduct." Cheating is far from sportsmanlike, in the strictest sense. A fair playing field, where skills and team-play are most important. Anyone can buy a camcorder and record something. Where is the justice in that? Cheating, in the strictest sense, is lying and stealing.
So....how about them Patriots huh?
This San Diego v Indianapolis game is a pretty good ding-dong battle so far.
"Excuse me Miss, do you like pineapple?"
This SD Indy game is a really, REALLY good game. Probably not Pittsburgh-Jacksonville, but still a good game.
If this game comes down to a field goal, advantage Indy! Forget the fact that Vinatieri made a rare choke against the Chargers in the REGULAR season; this ain't the Regular Season! It's the season that REALLY counts!
The postseason track records of Nate Kaeding and Adam Vinatieri are well known.
Kaeding = choke artist!
Vinatieri = as clutch as it gets. He had two notable postseason gaffes, but neither was on a field goal; they were kickoffs, and both came in the Super Bowl. Both times, he kicked to the wrong person. Only the first time eventually cost his team the game.
Thats pure fanatic speak. Even much of the media said The way the Patriots where punish was actually setting an example because the league knew other teams where doing it, but didn't have incriminating evidence.Not only because of Spygate, but because of how they were punished for it. Here's a few ways I think they probably should have been punished!...Why?
Because of "Spygate"? Something that got blown out of proportion, many teams in the NFL do, and is really stupid because if you just watch the team you'll see that the work done by the offensive line, the wide receivers, the QB and the Running backs are what push the offensive, not defensive signs.
But then again, I guess everyone hates winners.
EDIT: Total love the fact Green Bay one, Favre is awesome, I love to see the older guys still showing how its done :o
- At minimum, the outcome of the Jets game where they were caught reversed
- AFC East Division title, should they mathematically win it (which they did), surrendered to the second-place team (which this season would be the Bills)
- Ban from 2007 Playoffs, regardless of record, division title, or wild card status
- The draft pick they received from San Francisco either stripped or surrendered to another team (they lost their own 1st round draft pick, not San Fran's, who I think finished with 4 wins, and thus, they pick 7th as a result)
- OR, at maximum, automatic 0-16, banned for the season, and all non-division opponents on their schedule awarded a win, with division opponents awarded 2 wins
See, if a team did this on the NCAA level, which is a LOWER tier than the NFL, that team would be surrendering wins, and possibly National Titles. In the Olympics, which is believed to be the highest tier in sports, any form of cheating, drug or otherwise, results in surrendering medals (look at Marion Jones). I don't get how the NFL (or the other major professional sports leagues, for that matter) has LOWER standards than the NCAA, and to me, that is sad! I do not take kindly to cheating at all, even to the most minor of degrees! Cheating is still cheating, and I feel that cheaters should never be rewarded, period! I feel that the NFL has been doing so, as evidenced by the lack of an asterisk by their 2007 season and records associated with it, not to mention the fact that the Commish destroyed the confiscated tapes without even letting the public know the full extent of Spygate. Those destroyed tapes could be a LOT more damning to the Pats than the one they got busted with. Those tapes could have contained evidence that Spygate had been going on for YEARS, thus putting a HUGE stain on the Super Bowls that they won, especially when you consider the fact that the Pats won all three of those Super Bowls by a margin of three points each. Somehow, I think the true extent of Spygate was covered up by the Commissioner.
What you say about the tapes holds just as much ground as Bush saying there where nukes in Iraq :P
From listening to sports analysts, other teams have do this, so you can't take away anything. Its like how you can't take anything away from teams that had players that used steroids, you can't prove other teams had juiced players, but since you can assume it you can't penalize.
Even before Spygate, if you weren't a fan of the Patriots, you hated them.No, we hate cheaters for all and more of the reasons stated in the post previous.
The last I checked, this was still a sport. Sports imply some form of honor system and the ever present "sportsmanlike conduct." Cheating is far from sportsmanlike, in the strictest sense. A fair playing field, where skills and team-play are most important. Anyone can buy a camcorder and record something. Where is the justice in that? Cheating, in the strictest sense, is lying and stealing.
Here's a question for you then, should everyone now say at least two of the Yankees seasons are now tainted forever, should be null and void, and the team deserves to be hated because Andy Pettitte, Chuck Noblack (sp?) and Roger Clemens took steriods? Of course not, thats foolish, (although I'm sure there's going to be some fanatics that say yes >.>) thats only part of the team, and you can assume in the steroid era, that other teams had juiced players too.
Then why should Spygate forever condemn The Patriots of this decade?
Buying recording and decoding signs will never win you a game, in fact...
And,
Its probable (not just possible), that other teams have done it.
The reason some fans, (and some analysts), are going to condemn them, is because their bitter. They hated them in the first place, for winning, or otherwise. And this is just an excellent reason to condemn a team.
EDIT: 1:03 on the clock 4th and 5, Indy's in a pickle.
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