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I have issues with a supposedly canon file that contradicts canon again since there should be no reason for Sephiroth to hate Cloud for Nibleheim since Last Order changed everything that happened there. But I will not argue with the statement.

As for AC, my statement may be due to a mistranslation since the only version I saw was from when it first came out in Japan. I thought I heard that Sephiroth would be reborned by combing the memories of him from other people and the planet with Kadaj and the Jenova neck. Thus this Sephiroth's personality would be more based on objective perspectives rather than subjective since Sephiroth's existence appeared to be annihilated by the Lifestream at the end of the original game. I'll have to read up on the new canon since it seems to change by the day...

Lord this is why I hate when they make sequels and prequels to stories years later after the fact... Anyway, it doesn't change the fact he mostly killed out of necessity and warped morality...
Yeah, FFVII cannon is allways changing. I understand how this can be annoying to some people.
But FYI the Nibelheim incident of LO was retconned in CC. (SPOILER)Cloud never talked with Tifa inside the Mako Reactor because she was unconscious, he tossed Sephiroth in the Mako, etc. CC corrected all the bulls*it LO added to the story.

And from what I remember, Yazoo, Loz and Kadaj are bodies made of Negative Lifestream "injected" with part of Sephiroth's will, to make them find Jenova and bring him back.

As for Ultemacia... I know that she spoke through Edea but the lack of info concerning her own time makes things difficult to understand. Mostly, I'm still trying to fathom where she got the idea of absorbing all space and time to free herself from the fear of being killed by SeeD when she already wiped them out in the future? If she was trying to wipe out SeeD from all history and had a means to send her mind into the past; I can't fathom how she could just stop SeeD from forming.

Basically, absorbing space and time seems too extreme an option in my opinion if she was just trying to free herself from being killed by others. I wished the game had elaborated and I feel the evidence presented in the game shows more that she was just bat- crazy than having a logical motive. She was controlled by fear but it wasn't developed enough for my taste. Its just my opinion, course it was the time-traveling element I hated the most in VIII's plot, so having Ultemacia written out of the story would not bother me in the slightest.
It's not only about SeeD. Ultimecia's dialogue show us that she was persecuted in the past:

“...Lowlifes. ...Shameless filthy wretches. How you celebrate my ascension with such joy. Hailing the very one whom you have condemned for generations. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>
Have you no shame? What happened to the evil, ruthless sorceress from your fantasies? The cold-blooded tyrant that slaughtered countless men and destroyed many nations? Where is she now? She stands before your very eyes to become your new ruler. HAHAHAHAHA.”

People condemned her for generations. They labelled her "evil", "ruthless", etc.

She was condemned by everyone in the world for many generations(because of what she did in the past/present before she was even born in the future), and destiny decided that she would die by the hands of SeeD. But then... She decided to fight back, to defend herself, because she had the power to do that. Everyone in the world hated her, so she decided to "change the world"(as stated in the game, if you use the Scan on her). And she decided to take control over time(aka take control over destiny itself to avoid her dead and be more powerful than anyone who was persecuting and trying to kill her).
I'm sorry but I can't understand how that can be illogical.

Among the FF villains, Ultimecia have one of the best motives to do what she did. And it's all in the game, people just have to pay attention to it(someting hard, considering the fact FFVIII is one of the most underrated FFs, and many people don't want to pay attention to the story).

Ah, and I'm not saying Ultimecia is a saint. Of course she is evil, and even if she had good reasons, she still did horrible things to achieve her goal.