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    As I think I said previously, I disagree with the media being given the legal right to photograph and report on whatever they wish to with regards to celebrities.
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    As I think I said previously, I disagree with the media being given the legal right to photograph and report on whatever they wish to with regards to celebrities.
    Yes, there are media photos of his dead body being fled away in front of the crowds, I think it wasn't necessary for media to show those photos to the whole world. It just seems wrong.

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    Yeah, that's rather rude. I also find it not only unnecessary but also insensitive to the family/friends of Heath Ledger that the media are allowed to use his death as a headline to sell their papers. I firmly believe that it's one thing to report on a death and completely another to report on it as a front page article to sell papers. I really do think it should be possible for a family to request such things not to happen, but this is the modern era we live in.
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    Very unexpected news, and very sad.

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    On the other hand, if Iain Banks died I'd be pretty sad, because even though I didn't know him personally I did know his writing and it wasn't just a bit of fun, it's actually very important to me. Much the same can be said about various artists in various fields. You get to feel like you know someone famous through what they do, even if it's false. So feeling sad when they die is a logical consequence.
    Yeah, I actually cried when I heard about Kurt Vonnegut's death. Did I know him, was he a friend, was I ever even in the same room as him? Nope. But his work changed the way I look at life. And to me, the passing of someone who I considered to be a genius was very very sad. But virtually no one around me gave a damn when news broke of his death. But I get it. Different people care about different things. I cried over Kurt Vonnegut but not Heath Ledger, and there are some people who will cry over Heath Ledger but not Britney Spears, and then there are people who HAVE cried over Britney Spears.

    It's silly to think that one can only be sad about death if it strikes someone close to us. I was never a huge fan of Heath. But his performance in Brokeback Mountain was one of the most astonishing performances I have ever seen on film. EVER. It was captivating and startling. It was a work of art. And I have no doubt in my mind, that through that one performance, Ledger must have influenced dozens, hundreds, thousands of lives for the better. The loss of such a talent is a shame, no matter what.

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    I still think that movie was pretty boring, but like most people who dislike the movie, I'm obviously a homophobe. Actually, I am (although not if you use the commonly known definition), but that "if you don't like Brokeback then you're a homophobe" is ANOTHER thing that bugs me and I won't even start.

    Either way, I'm over this whole thing because today's front page was a bit more fitting and hooyay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loony BoB View Post
    I still think that movie was pretty boring, but like most people who dislike the movie, I'm obviously a homophobe. Actually, I am (although not if you use the commonly known definition), but that "if you don't like Brokeback then you're a homophobe" is ANOTHER thing that bugs me and I won't even start.

    Either way, I'm over this whole thing because today's front page was a bit more fitting and hooyay.
    I'm gay and even I thought Brokeback Mountain was ridiculously boring.

    In any case, the man could act, and I've been looking forward to seeing his take on Joker. It's sad to see him go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avarice-ness View Post
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    So because heath ledger died from perscription meds, Bush decided to STOP his anti-drug campaign.

    Apparently, the best way to stop saving people from overdoses is by stopping all anti-drug campaigns aimed at perscription drug abuse when someone dies from drug overdoses.
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    So because heath ledger died from perscription meds, Bush decided to STOP his anti-drug campaign.

    Apparently, the best way to stop saving people from overdoses is by stopping all anti-drug campaigns aimed at perscription drug abuse when someone dies from drug overdoses.
    Actually Ava, they only said it was getting postponed, which sickens me even more then what you suggested.

    Why would they postpone this unless they intended to use the Autopsy report in their speech?

    I mean they are planning ways to use him before an autopsy is even given. This tactic is just as bad as the normal Media. (Mind you, if it's postponed because bush is actually stunned by this event, then this argument really has no bearing.)
    Actually, they postponed it out of respect for his death. The White House didn't want to appear to be jumping on Ledger's death as an example. You guys should check your facts and PR releases before you go all crazy.

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    So because heath ledger died from perscription meds, Bush decided to STOP his anti-drug campaign.

    Apparently, the best way to stop saving people from overdoses is by stopping all anti-drug campaigns aimed at perscription drug abuse when someone dies from drug overdoses.
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    So because heath ledger died from perscription meds, Bush decided to STOP his anti-drug campaign.

    Apparently, the best way to stop saving people from overdoses is by stopping all anti-drug campaigns aimed at perscription drug abuse when someone dies from drug overdoses.
    Actually Ava, they only said it was getting postponed, which sickens me even more then what you suggested.

    Why would they postpone this unless they intended to use the Autopsy report in their speech?

    I mean they are planning ways to use him before an autopsy is even given. This tactic is just as bad as the normal Media. (Mind you, if it's postponed because bush is actually stunned by this event, then this argument really has no bearing.)
    Actually, they postponed it out of respect for his death. The White House didn't want to appear to be jumping on Ledger's death as an example. You guys should check your facts and PR releases before you go all crazy.
    The only way'll I'll believe that is when the Confrence is actually held and they don't mention Heath.

    I don't trust PR releases enough to take it as any sort of fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoCracker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Peacock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Avarice-ness View Post
    Access Hollywood

    So because heath ledger died from perscription meds, Bush decided to STOP his anti-drug campaign.

    Apparently, the best way to stop saving people from overdoses is by stopping all anti-drug campaigns aimed at perscription drug abuse when someone dies from drug overdoses.
    Quote Originally Posted by NeoCracker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Avarice-ness View Post
    Access Hollywood

    So because heath ledger died from perscription meds, Bush decided to STOP his anti-drug campaign.

    Apparently, the best way to stop saving people from overdoses is by stopping all anti-drug campaigns aimed at perscription drug abuse when someone dies from drug overdoses.
    Actually Ava, they only said it was getting postponed, which sickens me even more then what you suggested.

    Why would they postpone this unless they intended to use the Autopsy report in their speech?

    I mean they are planning ways to use him before an autopsy is even given. This tactic is just as bad as the normal Media. (Mind you, if it's postponed because bush is actually stunned by this event, then this argument really has no bearing.)
    Actually, they postponed it out of respect for his death. The White House didn't want to appear to be jumping on Ledger's death as an example. You guys should check your facts and PR releases before you go all crazy.
    The only way'll I'll believe that is when the Confrence is actually held and they don't mention Heath.

    I don't trust PR releases enough to take it as any sort of fact.

    Here's why I don't believe the respect claim.

    White House press secretary Dana Perino said Bush's event had been scheduled for a while.

    "We thought it would be better to postpone the event rather than run the risk of anyone thinking that we were being opportunistic in highlighting the issue," she said.
    The only actual QUOTE I can get from any thing about this is from Bush's press sectretary and the word's

    "... run the risk of anyone thinking that we were being opportunistic in highlighting the issue."

    Is really something I can't brush off or translate into "... run the risk of anyone thinking that we weren't going to respect his death by highlighting the issue."

    Granted other people in the white house may have said they did it out of respect, but when the press sectretary states it was to not be opportunistic... well yeah, I'm inclined to believe her.

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    So you don't think that in itself is an attempt at being respectful? Sheesh y'all are a group of cynical people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loony BoB View Post
    I still think that movie was pretty boring, but like most people who dislike the movie, I'm obviously a homophobe. Actually, I am (although not if you use the commonly known definition), but that "if you don't like Brokeback then you're a homophobe" is ANOTHER thing that bugs me and I won't even start.
    I didn't say anything about the movie, I was talking about his performance. It's the kind of performance that future generations of actors will actually study. Not liking the movie doesn't make you homophobic. Not admitting the brilliance of the performance makes you kinda blind though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miriel View Post
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    I still think that movie was pretty boring, but like most people who dislike the movie, I'm obviously a homophobe. Actually, I am (although not if you use the commonly known definition), but that "if you don't like Brokeback then you're a homophobe" is ANOTHER thing that bugs me and I won't even start.
    I didn't say anything about the movie, I was talking about his performance. It's the kind of performance that future generations of actors will actually study. Not liking the movie doesn't make you homophobic. Not admitting the brilliance of the performance makes you kinda blind though.
    Yeah, because he died young, was an amazing talent and there is all this mystery surrounding his death he most likely will become this kind of movie/pop-culture legend like River Phoenix or maybe even James Dean. Maybe even more missed and respected than those two.. I really hope so because Ledger was one of this generation's actors whose undoubtedly blossoming carreer I looked forward to witnessing.
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    It's true that when we hear of someone we know of, such as an actor dying, it's gonna make people feel sad or something, even though people do die everyday.

    I don't think people who mourn/post/are sad by Heath's death, even have to necessarily be fans of him as such.

    I saw him in a couple of films, he was kinda cute, that's pretty much all I knew. I didn't admire him as such because he was just some actor to me, yes. But I heard the news and I did think "woah" and I did feel some amount of empathy or sadness for the fact a 28 year old guy had died.

    Yes people die every day, and we don't hear about every single one on the news or front page. But whether people even like somebody well known like Heath Ledger, he is really recognisable to them. It's shocking to hear of anyone's death, but sure when you hear of "a 28 year old man died today" you probably won't think much about it, you don't know who they are, what they look like or sound like perhaps, you've had no contact with them.

    We recognise Heath through things we've seen or heard, whether we admired him or didn't think anything different of him. I guess what I mean is, sure maybe we do mourn more for him than people we don't recognise or relate to because we knew a lot of him, even if it's just from one or two films. It's going to have that effect on people, I think it's just natural.

    But if people were to not mourn or pay condolences to anyone who died, or only feel sad about those they recognise, I'd still say the latter is better. It feels weird and sad and shocking to hear of a death, in my opinion anyway and it's only natural we feel it more for those we recognise in some way. Doesn't mean those other deaths aren't sad, if I read about someone dying in the paper I feel sad, the more information, the more I can know about them the more sad I'd probably feel. If we were exposed to more about all those other people who die everyday maybe people would pay the same amount of respect.

    I guess if you only feel sad about people dying if you personally know them, then maybe it doesn't matter if it's some guy or an actor, or whoever else, but I guess some people including me find it sad just because..it's the loss of a life I guess, and I think that's always sad. Not sad like it's effecting my life sure but sad like, hey, RIP Heath and I have sympathy for anyone who has to lose someone close to them.
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