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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    I didn't know there was more than one type of veggie...
    ones that don't eat fish and tho's who do eat fish




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    *headdesk*

    I was making a joke, already. You said you were a veggie and I acted as if you literally were one. I do that to all of my vegetarian friends when they call themselves veggies. o-o

    *sigh* The joke has been killed. ._.

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    I think it's unfair to say that all obese people should be blamed for their weight. It takes a tremendous amount of discipline to lose even a little weight.

    I'm sure there are some people who are majorly fat because they eat far too much all the time, but I'm positive the majority does not fall under that category.

    I think a bigger factor in american obesity is the relative cheapness of unhealthy food. Oils and sugars and carbohydrates are incredibly inexpensive, so those on low incomes are more likely to consume them, making them more susceptible to obesity and related diseases like diabetes.

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    Not to mention the instant society we live in; It's easier than cooking to just go to McDo and order your food, which is hot and ready and somewhat tasty to the majority of people who eat it.

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    I like McDonald's on occassion. The problem with most people who get obese on it is that they don't treat it as a luxury, they treat it as an everyday thing.

    The Dollar Menu makes things bad because instead of just trying to get cheap food, people think "Well, instead of getting a Big Mac combo for $5, I can get five $1 Double Cheeseburgers! Score!" It's pretty good or bad psychology, depending on how you look at it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rubah View Post
    I think it's unfair to say that all obese people should be blamed for their weight. It takes a tremendous amount of discipline to lose even a little weight.

    I'm sure there are some people who are majorly fat because they eat far too much all the time, but I'm positive the majority does not fall under that category.

    I think a bigger factor in american obesity is the relative cheapness of unhealthy food. Oils and sugars and carbohydrates are incredibly inexpensive, so those on low incomes are more likely to consume them, making them more susceptible to obesity and related diseases like diabetes.
    I disagree. Even if they can only afford the unhealthy stuff, you can't get THAT morbidly obese unless you consume mass amounts of that stuff and stay completely sedentary. Believe me, I've seen it happen to some of my family members. It's pretty sad, actually.

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    I'm going to copy-pasta an essay I wrote last year to A) Make this thread EoEO and B) refute many falsehoods

    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley V. Hobbes
    To what extent are companies such as McDonald's responsible for growing obesity-related health problems?

    The World Health Organization projects that in the year 2005, approximately 1.6 billion adults (People over the age of fifteen) were overweight worldwide (World Health Organization, 2006). Compare this to the WHO’s claim that 800 million people go to bed hungry every day (WHO Millennium Development Goals, 2006) and it would seem that, perhaps uniquely in Human history, excess of food poses a more widespread health concern than a lack. This information results in some incredulity; under what circumstances could it be bad when there are more people on Earth who have too much than those who have too little? The immediate answer might be one of social justice, yet one of the main thrusts is to blame companies such as McDonald’s and Coca-cola for providing the means for people to be overweight. This essay will examine the actions of such companies in facilitating overeating, the implications of doing so, and will conclude the degree of blame they hold.

    Being overweight or obese can lead to an increased chance of a significant number of health problems. Not least of these are Type 2 Diabetes, coronary heart disease, and osteoarthritis (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2006). This obviously puts a significant burden on healthcare, especially in nations where it is provided freely. This has led to great concern about the current growth in overweight and obese people, as it has economic ramifications as well as the effects on the individual. The younger generation is especially scrutinised and the BBC reported in 2005 that almost 25% of EU children were obese (BBC News, 20/01/2005). The American activist and Presidential candidate Ralph Nader has equated McDonald’s double cheeseburgers to “a weapon of mass destruction” (THOMAS (Library of Congress), 2005).

    The concerns about these companies’ treatment of their workers, overseas producers, safety records, and so forth must not interfere with the question of how much blame they bear for this rise in ill health. If there are cases to be answered there, they will have to be addressed in other treatises. It is clear that many already consider such companies to be a source of the health problem and that this ties in with various other groups, such as environmentalism and anti-corporatism, but these arguments must be kept distinct.

    McDonald’s has recently decided to include health information directly on the packaging of the products they sell (BBC News, 25/10/2005). This, it is claimed, will help the consumer make informed choices, as well as adding to the information provided by leaflets and internet sites. They have also recently been adding items such as salads and fruit to their menus, a further effort to show they have healthy options. Morgan Spurlock’s Super Size Me (2004) involved an experiment whereby only McDonald’s would be consumed for one month, involving everything on the menu at least once, and always ‘supersizing’ the meal if it was offered as an option. The resulting deterioration in health led to shock among doctors, who predicted much lesser ill effects, a weight gain and BMI increase which reportedly took months to undo, and has since been held up as a prime example of the ill effects of fast food in general, and McDonald’s in particular.


    Yet opposing productions have arisen showing a different result. Foremost of these is Merab Morgan, a resident of North Carolina, who undertook a 90-day long McDonald’s only diet, but was careful with her caloric intake, resulting in an eventual weight loss. (MSNBC, 12/8/2005) Other, similar cases exist, whereby citizens have eaten exclusively at McDonald’s for a significantly length of time but have, through more measured eating than Spurlock exhibited, ended up in equal if not better health.

    This provokes one of the most important aspects of this debate, namely the access to information by consumers of these eateries. It is reasonable to presume McDonald’s can be part of a healthy diet and lifestyle, but it is necessary for citizens to have proper access to information about the products and thereby have the capacity to make informed decisions. McDonald’s aforementioned policy of implementing nutritional information on the product packaging directly, as opposed to in-store leaflets or on the internet, allows customers to see exactly what they are eating. Presumably, however, they must purchase the product at least once to access it in this manner.

    The effects of advertising are another area of major concern for those worried about fast food. Eric Schlosser makes the case that advertising to young children starts at the age of two or three, and that vast resources are deployed to sell various products, either directly to children and teenagers, or through causing the children to influence their parents. Schlosser’s Fast Food Nation (2002, p. 46) highlights attempts by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to prevent advertising directed at very young children. He quotes then-head of the FTC, Michael Pertschuk, who says “They cannot protect themselves against adults who exploit their present-mindedness.” and argues that very young children are incapable of discerning between ordinary television and advertising. This motion was not carried through, thanks to lobbying by various industry groups, and today advertising to children is alive and well in the United States. Similar attempts to legislate against as much are coming to the fore in European nations, and Sweden in 1991 banned all advertising directed at under-12s. This has since been weakened by the European Court of Justice, who found that whilst Sweden may regulate their own advertisers they cannot do anything about channels which come in from overseas.

    The commonest theme in rejecting these arguments is a very simple, yet powerful one. Those who reject blaming fast food companies point out that people are not in any way forced to consume their products, and have plenty of available other food sources. In an open, free market, with not just many fast food outlets but literally hundreds of sources of food open to an individual, it is contested that said individuals are entirely responsible for their own eating habits and the consequences thereof. Indeed, in the United States the Personal Responsibility in Food Consumption Act, or “Cheeseburger Bill”, has been specifically created to defend companies against what are seen as frivolous or malicious lawsuits, brought by obese people who blame McDonald’s or Hardee’s rather than accepting responsibility for their own actions. The bill passed into law with a majority of almost 2:1. (BBC News, 12/03/2004)

    Another example of legal movement in the matter is the case of Caesar Barber, a man from the Bronx who ate fast food several times a week for some years. He brought a case naming McDonald’s, Wendy’s, Burger King, and Kentucky Fried Chicken as defendants, claiming that he believed their food was healthy, until he was told otherwise by a doctor (although not until suffering his second heart attack; perhaps the competence of his medical professionals is in more question.), and that the industry “has wrecked my life”. (CBS News, 26/07/2002) The case later appeared to dissipate, and did not go to court.

    Another common counterargument is that there are many more factors than simple dietary habits in determining someone’s weight. Some of these factors include genetic predisposition, a sedentary lifestyle, and various other medical conditions and medications. It appears trite to say there is any single factor responsible for all, or even the majority, of obesity and thus it appears invalid to suggest any one factor, let alone a single facilitator of that factor, could be held accountable for the situation.

    To bring this to a conclusion, the argument ultimately focuses on two issues. The first is one of personal responsibility, and the second is whether or not consumers are given the necessary information to reasonably implement the first. Although more and more fast food outlets are offering healthier options and better access to information, the number of overweight people is rising. The most viable conclusion to draw is that there are numerous other factors to consider in the causes of obesity. Nevertheless if that were not the case, if diet were the sole consideration, it remains the situation that consumers have the information they need from a number of sources, not least of which are the various groups and individuals concerned about the issue, and they have the freedom of choice in not just which menu items they choose, but in which menu they are looking at. No known cases exist of forced consumption at a fast food outlet. Perhaps the matter can best be concluded with the following statement by Richard Berman, executive director of the Center for Consumer Freedom (29/9/2006),

    “Maybe the radical solution is to let consumers - not bureaucrats - dictate what restaurants do. After all, you know what they call a restaurant that doesn't believe that the customer is always right? Bankrupt.”

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    I'm with you on this. It is absolutely impossible to not lose weight if you use more energy than you consume. The only real problem for overly obese people is that they've got bad habits that are hard to get rid of. It is a mental problem.
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    Wow a full bibliography in a forum post...you make my pants happy in ways most wouldn't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Momiji View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rubah View Post
    I think it's unfair to say that all obese people should be blamed for their weight. It takes a tremendous amount of discipline to lose even a little weight.

    I'm sure there are some people who are majorly fat because they eat far too much all the time, but I'm positive the majority does not fall under that category.

    I think a bigger factor in american obesity is the relative cheapness of unhealthy food. Oils and sugars and carbohydrates are incredibly inexpensive, so those on low incomes are more likely to consume them, making them more susceptible to obesity and related diseases like diabetes.
    I disagree. Even if they can only afford the unhealthy stuff, you can't get THAT morbidly obese unless you consume mass amounts of that stuff and stay completely sedentary. Believe me, I've seen it happen to some of my family members. It's pretty sad, actually.
    You'd be amazed what diabetes can do to a person's body weight. And they pretty much have to live off of healthy food and diet drinks. Besides, if you get disabled or elderly (an excellent way to fall into a low-income bracket), you can't help but be inactive.

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    Let's just say most then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubah View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Momiji View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rubah View Post
    I think it's unfair to say that all obese people should be blamed for their weight. It takes a tremendous amount of discipline to lose even a little weight.

    I'm sure there are some people who are majorly fat because they eat far too much all the time, but I'm positive the majority does not fall under that category.

    I think a bigger factor in american obesity is the relative cheapness of unhealthy food. Oils and sugars and carbohydrates are incredibly inexpensive, so those on low incomes are more likely to consume them, making them more susceptible to obesity and related diseases like diabetes.
    I disagree. Even if they can only afford the unhealthy stuff, you can't get THAT morbidly obese unless you consume mass amounts of that stuff and stay completely sedentary. Believe me, I've seen it happen to some of my family members. It's pretty sad, actually.
    You'd be amazed what diabetes can do to a person's body weight. And they pretty much have to live off of healthy food and diet drinks. Besides, if you get disabled or elderly (an excellent way to fall into a low-income bracket), you can't help but be inactive.
    Ok then. I apologize to the few percents of the population that get overly obese because of diabetes or some other illness. However, the other 95+% of the overweight population has no real excuse. And yes, I'm overweight myself, but not by so much that it degrades my quality of living in any way, thankfully. Actually, it's not really apparent unless I wear very little clothing.
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    Those damn fat people and their epidemic. The other day I coughed up french fry grease because of their disgusting fatty fumes coming out of their fat folds, polluting me. Focusing on a cure for AIDs or cancer? Waste of time, because it's a much more productive pursuit to persecute all of those fat people before their fat kills us all. I heard it's air-borne now. Don't leave the house without shoving some celery down your throat.

    Srs bizniz beams on: Does someone else being fat personally effect you? Does it hurt you? Can you catch the fat? No. The world needs to honestly cry more about obesity and let people live how them want. And as for the "epidemic"... where is it? In my school, we have 2 kids who are obese. TWO kids. The vast majority of my school, and town at that, is thin, as in size 5 and under thin. As in I feel obese being a size 8-9 in comparison. Show me the "epidemic." Until then, I'll show you propaganda aimed to make even children who are slightly overweight feel worthless.
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    Well for my part, I'm not really calling it an epidemic. It just annoys me when a lot of obese people put the blame on everything except their own willpower, or lack thereof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rubah View Post
    I think a bigger factor in american obesity is the relative cheapness of unhealthy food. Oils and sugars and carbohydrates are incredibly inexpensive, so those on low incomes are more likely to consume them, making them more susceptible to obesity and related diseases like diabetes.
    I don't agree with this, the closest fast food place I have to my house is a Hardee's. Which is a burger place for northerners.

    Well me and my boyfriend will buy there and spend about 15$ on food.
    I spend about 18$ at Quizno's and 14$ at Subway. 13$ at Arby's and up to 11$ at Taco bell.
    When I'm by myself I try to never spend over 5$ but everywhere I go, the value meals I want are over that. And trust me, the ammount of fast food the people eat to become obesse from fast food add's up and FAST. Spending only 6$ at a fast food place monday through friday is 30$ a week, 120$ a month, and 1440$ a year. Personally my GROCERY budget isn't even 120$.

    Now, until the weather prevented me, I was going to make healthy mediteranian chicken wraps for dinner. I already had the chicken and the spices and all I needed is ONE tomato, ONE cucumber, ONE bag of romaine and a small container of ceaser salad dressing.

    All of that would have made dinner and more for the both of us for under the price of normal fast food and it's much healthier than fast food.

    Either way, now I'll be panfrying chicken in light olive oil and eating it over rice.

    After having a set limit for money, I realized that fast food eating's the worst thing for my money. So the people able to eat at these fast food places arn't eating there because they don't have alot of money to spend on food, it's for their own personal reasons that isn't about money. Fast food at this point is like gormet for me since I end up going a month or so without being about to afford it.

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