"Come Hither"
"Hey Look"
"One moment"
"Come Hither"
"Hey Look"
"One moment"
I don't think that's the case, though. If Rinoa didn't use her finger sign, then Squall would just ignore her more and run away or something. Rinoa used her sign to make Squall think that something is going on.NOT TO MENTION, if she could control Squall, I'm sure she would have made him a better dancer.
And when she pulled Squall to dance with, Squall refused and tried to walk back (assuming he thinks he can't dance) but then all of sudden he has became a good dancer
She looks up at the sky without seeing Squall in the first place.Also, have you ever been to a dance and saw someone you just wanted to dance with, you look over at them and nod and they're over at your side. It's not illogical
She then saw Squall for a second and pulled up her finger sign and then approached him. It just seems so quick.
OMG! Rinoa better not be the reincarnation of Hither"Come Hither"
"Hey Look"
"One moment"
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Last edited by Serapy; 02-04-2008 at 03:48 AM.
That was just a sign that meant "Do you like to dance ? ". And when Squall saw the sign he moved his head in a way that meant " That's not a bad idea . " And Rinoa walked to him and took him to dancing . I don't think that could mean anything else .
And about R=U theory, I really don't like it because all the evidence in the game are against it ; And I could find nothing that could mean it's true . If you found something let me know too .
Since you're like the 8th person to say this...Originally Posted by Takero
That was just a sign that meant "Do you like to dance ? ". And when Squall saw the sign he moved his head in a way that meant " That's not a bad idea . " And Rinoa walked to him and took him to dancing . I don't think that could mean anything else .
And about R=U theory
I'm pretty sure no matter how much we try to humanize Rinoa's action's Serapy will make it in benefit to support the R=U theory. So we might as well give up now.
But like I said earlier.
Ulti was in control of edea during the time of this dance, if that was ulti inside her then she's a body jumper and last time I checked Ulti only took over body's when she -had- too.
I think I'm going to restart FFVIII and play through sometime this week solely to prove this wrong.
lol.. They were both looking at the shooting star and they're eyes met so rinoa pointed at the sky in significance to the star.
They're not complete strangers, and this may very well be a "first sight" thing (which really does happen).
This is nothing more then Square's attempt to be good writers, and use various attributes of good writing (put to an otherwise bad story ;p).
The continually use of that hand motion is easily explain, its "Hey, you!" (I've also read something about a falling star I'd need to go back to see that :o)
It was used again during the flashback is because thats when Squall and Rinoa met so, its an important scene to Squall, and having Rinoa be replaced by Ulti in that scene is showing how he's losing her. Using it again at the end is repetition of a common theme.
Now why did Rinoa instantly like Squall? I blame that on this game's awful forced love story. But for the last time R DOES NOT equal U.
Last edited by Goldenboko; 02-04-2008 at 12:18 PM.
I think the writers put her in that position, intentionally. They weren't that dumbNow why did Rinoa instantly like Squall?
That's why something is going on, putting some doubts on the "o no, finger sign is just a greeting sign" procedure.
In Squall's mind, they were, the dancing party is where they met for the first time.They're not complete strangers, and this may very well be a "first sight" thing (which really does happen).
There are other doubts, as well. Think about why you see the splitting image of Ulti AFTER you see the finger sign.
I'm tired of people saying O NO THEY WANT TO DANCE, THAT KIND OF SIGN. I already know that, I know it happens in parties a lot, BUT there are so many doubts/clues that may tell something else.. that the sign wasn't exactly a greeting sign/nor star
Personally, I always believed that Rinoa was only pointing up at the sky/comet because she and Squall had both seen it, but assuming your TC/R=U theory is correct and Rinoa was trying to make Squall her knight, it wouldn't be illogical because Rinoa would already be in love with Squall and she would know that Squall would be where he was. And Squalls head tilt would be a confused head tilt as he would have no recollection of any prior meetings. And it would also explain why Rinoa knows the dance off by heart and she's not even a SeeD!!!Assuming you and a stranger have never met before, next second, the stranger uses the "loving" sign to you? That seems illogical.
Hope that makes sense!
Exactly! I was just saying that it would be illogical if Rinoa wanted to meet Squall and she started loving him in the stranger-to-stranger situation (pulling up her finger sign to a stranger, meeting him, loving him, etc) FOR no reason. It's hard to explain, other example: If Rinoa never sensed any future plans ahead of herself and Squall, or if she was a normal human for the whole story, then the relationship between herself and Squall would never have happened or at least some of it.
Last edited by Serapy; 02-04-2008 at 07:51 PM.
Exactly! I was just saying that it would be illogical if Rinoa wanted to meet Squall and she started loving him in the stranger-to-stranger situation (pulling up her finger sign to a stranger, meeting him, loving him, etc) FOR no reason. It's hard to explain, other example: If Rinoa never sensed any future plans ahead of herself and Squall, or if she was a normal human for the whole story, then the relationship between herself and Squall would never have happened or at least some of it.
1. You can't say that the relationship couldn't have happened between herself and squall because.... IT'S A VIDEO GAME BASED ON THE LOVE BETWEEN THEM.
2. I was pretty sure she didn't know of her sorcessesness at this time, and again, Ulti was inside of Edea during this time. And as much as people keep saying, you see a guy you like at a dance, they look at you, you do something to hook their attention, you go grab them and dance. I don't see how you can disregard the fact her finger-sign was something that could say "hey I like you" maybe not "I like you forever" maybe just "Hey let's talk for a second, you look sweet".
1. Obviously there wouldn't be a video game without Squall and Rinoa loving each other. This is pure speculation. If Rinoa knew that she was Ulti, she would try and make Squall her knight. After all, he did beat 2 sorceresses, Seifer (4 times), Griever, and Ulti hreself. You can't get much better than that.Exactly! I was just saying that it would be illogical if Rinoa wanted to meet Squall and she started loving him in the stranger-to-stranger situation (pulling up her finger sign to a stranger, meeting him, loving him, etc) FOR no reason. It's hard to explain, other example: If Rinoa never sensed any future plans ahead of herself and Squall, or if she was a normal human for the whole story, then the relationship between herself and Squall would never have happened or at least some of it.
1. You can't say that the relationship couldn't have happened between herself and squall because.... IT'S A VIDEO GAME BASED ON THE LOVE BETWEEN THEM.
2. I was pretty sure she didn't know of her sorcessesness at this time, and again, Ulti was inside of Edea during this time. And as much as people keep saying, you see a guy you like at a dance, they look at you, you do something to hook their attention, you go grab them and dance. I don't see how you can disregard the fact her finger-sign was something that could say "hey I like you" maybe not "I like you forever" maybe just "Hey let's talk for a second, you look sweet".
2.True, but, again assuming the TC theory is true, Past, Present and Future all become one, and because she posseses each sorceress at one point, she could technically be in three people at once. Whos to say that when you're playing the game the story hasn't already taken place and that you're playing in the past but with an Ulti-aware Rinoa? This could also explain why Rinoa fell out of love with Seifer and in love with Squall. She knew Squall would be a better knight.
Do you realize that I was contradicting? The reason why I was contradicting is because I was agruing with other persons' views based on my theory, stating that it would be illogical if they have met for no reason. If it was no reason (Squall and Rinoa not loving each other), then this video game would have done something differently or the game being non-existence.
There's no pure evidence that Rinoa saw Squall before she saw the star.
Ha! If what you said is true (FF8 is based on a love story) then why the hell does Ulti exist?
She didn` t know because she's just using her instincts. If you were her, it's impossible to know whether you are doing normal or not under the circumstances.2. I was pretty sure she didn't know of her sorcessesness at this time, and again, Ulti was inside of Edea during this time.
It doesn't matter if Utli has possessed Edea at the time, because FF8 is a compressed world. Specific events get mixed up from time to time. Associated with different timelines, past/present/future into one.
The problem is that I've posted information that may disregard the information as what you have said. Consider why there's an existence of a splitting image of Ulti after Rinoa's finger sign in Squall's flashbacks.And as much as people keep saying, you see a guy you like at a dance, they look at you, you do something to hook their attention, you go grab them and dance. I don't see how you can disregard the fact her finger-sign was something that could say "hey I like you" maybe not "I like you forever" maybe just "Hey let's talk for a second, you look sweet".
The party situtation (greeting signs) from a video game is not always common, it's not exactly the same as in real life one because FF8 is a video game.
Serapy, I like how you post something, but never answer any question towards it that isn't easily explained. Before I pointed out a thing called Symbolism. I think the reason that he had the flashback with Rinoa turning into Ultimecia because of the feeling he had in the past when he felt as if he was losing her. Its pretty easy to draw out.
Next. It does mater if Ulti has possessed Edea at the time. Because your "FFVIII is a time compressed world straight from the beginning." Is a theory. If you know anything about science you'd know that the most illogical, and unlikely theories, are ones based off other ones.
Next. You also appear to disregard any knowledge of Writing. FFVIII was a love story between Rinoa and Squall, because the main theme was love. Ultimecia is there to spice up the story, and give it something that will actually make it interactive.
I like how you bring up "pure" evidence. There is no pure evidence that R=U, there is no "pure" evidence on any of your facts. I'm sorry but if you want to argue about pure evidence, you better have some of your own.
Oh, yes, sorry. I didn't see your explanation about symbolism. Ok, here goes:
Laguna told Squall to think of friendship and love just in case if something happens. If he didn't think of his friends, he'd die or completely lost in time forever. However, he did what Laguna told him to do, he has thought of Selphie, Zell, Irvine, Rinoa, etc. during his flashblacks as a "symbolism" of friendship and love. Does that make sense? So why was Ulti involved since she's not Squall's friend (in his mind) at that moment? Ulti is not his friend, so that doesn't match the description of friendship nor love. That suggests that U=R may be plausible.
It doesn't matter because she can re-possesses Edea or possesses someone else at the same time because like what I said, FF8 was a compressed world with different timelines. Time travel is very confusing, I know.Next. It does mater if Ulti has possessed Edea at the time. Because your "FFVIII is a time compressed world straight from the beginning." Is a theory. If you know anything about science you'd know that the most illogical, and unlikely theories, are ones based off other ones.
Did you see my other post? I've made some contradictions. However, FF8 wasn't all about love, there's much more than that.Next. You also appear to disregard any knowledge of Writing. FFVIII was a love story between Rinoa and Squall, because the main theme was love.
That statement makes it sound like Rinoa is actually UltimeciaUltimecia is there to spice up the story, and give it something that will actually make it interactive.
What?I like how you bring up "pure" evidence. There is no pure evidence that R=U, there is no "pure" evidence on any of your facts. I'm sorry but if you want to argue about pure evidence, you better have some of your own.
Why don't you watch the dancing party FMV, you will become aware that there's no scene of Rinoa seeing Squall BEFORE she saw the star or Squall. That's why it seems strange, let me explain exactly what the video was demonstrating:
1) The video starts.
*The screen of the video starts focused on the sky*
2) The display of the star shows up
*The screen of the video starts focused on the Squall face*
2) Squall saw the star
*The screen of the video starts focused on the Rinoa figure*
3) Rinoa saw the star
4) Rinoa IMMEDIATELY turns around, saw Squall and pulled up her finger sign
See? There wasn't a scene of Rinoa seeing Squall BEFORE she saw the star(3) or Squall(4). That's why I was disproving some persons' views in this thread.
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Rinoa instantly loves Squall, she instantly cares about him EVEN against Squall's bad attitude.
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A splitting image of Ulti in Squall's flashbacks, it was supposed for friends, not Ulti.
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Match!
In regard to general theories, Goldenboko. All what I can say is that why don't you disprove R=U and my theories? I'd love to see information that could disprove em
Are you aware that the events we have seen from FF8 are not completed? The game has implied/hinted so many things that we actually have never seen before, so how the hell can I obtain such evidences? This game is mostly all about speculations, that was what the FF8 designers wanted.
Last edited by Serapy; 02-05-2008 at 01:14 AM.
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