hey, hey, take it easy. i thought you said you liked VII. Well, in defense on one point - character development is, in the end, a character ending up at a different place than they started out. Vincent was in a coffin, yet in the end he "magically tells you" (as wolf kanno likes to put it) all the things he learned - he gains closure and moves onto whatever he did in Dirge of Cerberus. Barret, for all intents and purposes, is Osama bin Laden, yet he relates at the end that it wasn't the right way to go about things, and fights in a way that will truly save the planet. Cid is a washed up pilot, and in all likelihood an alcoholic, yet he joins that world-rebuilding thingy afterwards, yuffie a common thief and she leads that, too. Reeve a Shinra manager, ends up in a group saving the world, yada yada yada.