Mafia: World War three, sign up and questions thread

[Psychotic]

You say you gave Town scrambler to help the town, but I think that just made things even more confusing for town.

I disagree.

Beloved Princess effed up the town too, as did Vigilante.

I agree.

Not only that but, you gave town insane cop (which benefits the mafia until it's discovered that the cop is insane - and who knows how long that'll take)

Levian discovered he was the Insane Cop before he died, so y'know. Insane is a real cop with a slight weakness, which balances out the fact that there were two cops.

Plus, there was no detective role that would help town figure out who cult members were.

Haha, I wanted an Inquisitor (or Psychologist as you guys called it), qwerty disagreed. I do think that if we'd had one you guys would've focused more on the mafia, but lord knows the cult took enough of a pasting in this game anyway.

Also, you gave town Masons, but gimped them with the fact that they could recruit scum and never know about it. The fundamental benefit to the mason group is having the knowledge that the people within the mason group are innocent.

You didn't have to recruit anybody though. Besides, yould've just waited for a proven townie claim and then recruited them.

And there was also the SK.

White Mage.

Oh and you gave Mafia the ability to recruit. And tossed in power roles (prostitute, godfather) to boot.

Four mafia has never been enough to win, so we tried five. Seems we were right about that. On consideration though, I think there should've been no recruitment and we should've given them five from the start.

I think that South Africa (and yeah, I'm biased here) was one of the few players who took the time to analyze things and engage in interesting arguments with other players and tried to promote discussion and activity.

Yes. We need more of you.

[Del Murder]

This was by far the craziest setup yet. So if that was your aim, good job.

However, if the idea now is to top the last person in terms of zany setups, I don't think I'm going to play any more. (although part of me wants to come up with some insane clustersmurf setup and force P&Q to play it)

[Jojee]

Oh yeah, I want to know how Levy figured out he was insane in the first day. xD

[Del Murder]

Levian discovered he was the Insane Cop before he died, so y'know. Insane is a real cop with a slight weakness, which balances out the fact that there were two cops.

In a game with this many people, you need more than two investigative roles. And there weren't really two cops, since one could win with the mafia. Again, that was my biggest gripe.

[edczxcvbnm]

i don't know why you wouldn't think a brother could betray. brothers need to both live and if they are on opposite sides then wouldn't they need to betray some group so they can win?

[qwertysaur]

Pre Scramble

Mafia Godfather
Japan - Bahamut2000X

Prostitute
Spain - Summoner of Leviathan

Brother Goon
North Korea - Aerith's Knight

Recruiting Goon
Russia - Jojee

Cult leader
Norway - Oddler

Night Kill Immune Serial Killer
New Zealand - NeoCracker

Brother Cop
Iraq - Denmark

Insane Cop
Canada - Lekana/Levian

White Mage
Pakistan - Dolentren

Morally Conscious Vig
South Korea - foa

Mason
South Africa - Del/Miriel

Recruiting Mason
Brazil - feel the illinoise!

Scrambler
United Kingdom - *~*Celes*~*

Bus Driver
Australia - leader of mortals

Beloved Princess
India - Demon Dude

Vanilla Town
Iran - Jesweeeee/DBM
Germany - Roto13
China - Sergent Hartman
Mexico - Raven Nox
USA - Sir Lancelot
Italy - Goldenboko
Israel - Red Pill
France - Jess

Post Scramble

Masons just switched
Japan - Recruiter
Spain - Godfather
Russia - Roleblocker
Pakistan - vanilla town
South Korea - vanilla town (Loses kill ratio)
Australia - white mage
India - vanilla town
Iran - Vig
Mexico - vanilla town
China - beloved princess
USA- Bus driver

[Miriel]

Edit: Mafia and cult both got 3 choices per night/recruitment (excluding first night for cult I guess) on who to recruit, so that's why the mafia were so sure that the cult had a lot more people than it did.

WHAT?! Are you serious? Damn... you guys really wanted town to lose.

[Psychotic]

In a game with this many people, you need more than two investigative roles. And there weren't really two cops, since one could win with the mafia. Again, that was my biggest gripe.

When I okayed the set up, I didn't know he could win with the mafia.

Anyway I don't know if qwerty has anything he wants to say about his set up. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. The only things I really added were the Insane Cop and the NK Immune Serial Killer. (which I think is the bare minimum for all Serial Killers in the future)

EDIT: And I added Beloved Princess too!

[Jojee]

Yeah, when the mafia recruited we tried to recruit South Africa first, then Norway, then South Korea. :3

That's also one of the reasons why we thought SA and Norway had a high possibility of being scum.

[Psychotic]

Yup, the mafia found out dirt on SA and Norway, so that's why I think we mde a mistake with not giving them 5 from the start. I'll hold my hands up and admit that one.

I definitely think cult should've been allowed 3 choices, though. And from the way it turned out, I don't see that anyone can disagree.

[Jojee]

They tried to recruit all mafia one night XD That's hilarious.

[Dolentrean]

Well at least I lived! Even though I lost v.v

I personally liked the set up, sure it smurfed up the town, but for my second mafia game at least it stayed interesting. The only thing I would have changed is I think there shouldn't have been a beloved princess.

Fun set up.

[qwertysaur]

I made the scrambler to mess with everyone.

With the brothers, I made them a double edged sword for both the town and the mafia. If the mafia was close to losing, then North Korea would get the option to betray as well. Also, the Mafia would know there was a cop that they could not kill without losing one of their own, if AK actually read his PM.

White mage was to make up for two killers at once.

Prostitute was to help the mafia, and the recruiter was to keep the town in the dark about who is scum.

The bus driver was to mess with the mafia and the cult, as they could target/ kill themselves.

I really expected the cult to be much more powerful though. They were so unlucky though.

All roles and the scramble were from Random.org.

And Psy, I did say that about the brothers.

[Psychotic]

And Psy, I did say that about the brothers.

When you said they could win with each other, I thought you meant they would would win if they were the last two standing. So yeah I just misconstrued and should've asked. Alas!

[NeoCracker]

Yeah, I'm with the lot that says this game had a major anti-town feel.

Especially since the Bus Driver can actually get town killed with their ability if they mess up, correct?

But yes, the single biggest problem was the Mafia recruit. If that had been dropped, I don't think there would have been nearly the balance problem in this game. :P

Edit: And I also agree with the whole "No Mafia Discussion during the Day" thing.

I mean 1 smart Mafia can basically control the others the whole time with how it is. There really isn't a Weakest link in the Mafia group.

However if everyones forced to swim alone for a time, THAT should be interesting.

Same applies to the MAsons for all games with them. ANd the Masons recruiting Scum was kinda dumb too.