Is Sephiroth actually Jenova?

[Mercen-X]

Wow. So then I guess LIMIT BREAKS aren't a part of Cloud's living nature and doesn't have anything to do with his own skills. Interesting pov. I'd never thought of it that way before.

[The Crystal]

Wow. So then I guess LIMIT BREAKS aren't a part of Cloud's living nature and doesn't have anything to do with his own skills. Interesting pov. I'd never thought of it that way before.

It can be an "interesting pov" to you, but it isn't my pov. I never said that.
What I said, is that from what the story showed us, Cloud can only levitate things, during his most powerful Limit Break. And a Limit Break he didn't learn in the game(Omnislash Version 5).
But he wasn't performing a Limit at the Crater, meaning that he couldn't fly by himself.

And if the Sephiroth clones could levitate, why they didn't use this power to go to the Crater(instead of slowly walking like zombies)? And if Cloud could levitate, why he only did that in Sephiroth's presence? The same Sephiroth who could lift people in the air with telekinesis.
Lets try using some logic and common sense, okay?

[Carl the Llama]

One thing that I have to point out is that during Cloud's Omnislash v5 Cloud's swords arent "Levitateing" they seperate and the scene is slowed down for the viewers pleasure he is actully moveing increadbly fast so much so that he has time to grab and slash Sepheroth with each sword in a matter of seconds.

[Mercen-X]

Lets try using some logic and common sense, okay?

Pertaining to physical ability? Yeah, that holds up in the face of a game where an untrained Dragoon (Cid) could jump twenty feet and that spawned a movie whose characters could jump twenty feet in the air and could launch Cloud a mile toward heaven.
Who cares if Cloud had to activate a LIMIT to levitate (Meteorain btw)? Nobody else could do it (except Barret, but he had help).
What proof can you offer that he wasn't using a LIMIT at the crater anyway?

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Lets try using some logic and common sense, okay?

Dragon Mage was banned for condescending comments like this. Please don't fall to her level.

[The Crystal]

Pertaining to physical ability? Yeah, that holds up in the face of a game where an untrained Dragoon (Cid) could jump twenty feet and that spawned a movie whose characters could jump twenty feet in the air and could launch Cloud a mile toward heaven.

Untrained?! The characters of FFVII fought against the most powerful beings in the world, to save it from total destruction. They defeated monsters, robots, Turks, SOLDIERs, Jenova, the Weapons, Sephiroth... And you say they are untrained?!?!
Considering what they did during FFVII, is not a surprise that(by the time of AC) they are super-humans.

Who cares if Cloud had to activate a LIMIT to levitate (Meteorain btw)? Nobody else could do it (except Barret, but he had help).

If you are talking about the fight with Bahamut Sin, Cloud needed help of his friends to reach the Summon. He didn't levitate.

What proof can you offer that he wasn't using a LIMIT at the crater anyway?

1) The Limit that makes him be able to levitate things, wasn't learned in FFVII(Omni V. 5).

2) A Limit is caused by a surge of adrenaline, allowing the person to use part of their spirit energy. This is why characters only use it in battle.

[Mercen-X]

Untrained?! you say they are untrained?!?!

Who cares if Cloud had to activate a LIMIT to levitate (Meteorain btw)? Nobody else could do it (except Barret, but he had help).

If you are talking about the fight with Bahamut Sin, Cloud needed help of his friends to reach the Summon. He didn't levitate.

I still hold that in the game, Cid was not a trained Dragoon. He was a damned pilot like Cid of FF4.

No, I was actually referring to the Level 3 LIMIT Break, Meteorain. It may be the only attack in which he himself levitates, but I still felt it should be mentioned.

And fine, Cloud's abilities are not determined by the small amount of J-Cells he'd at one time had in his body.

[The Crystal]

I still hold that in the game, Cid was not a trained Dragoon. He was a damned pilot like Cid of FF4.

No, I was actually referring to the Level 3 LIMIT Break, Meteorain. It may be the only attack in which he himself levitates, but I still felt it should be mentioned.

And fine, Cloud's abilities are not determined by the small amount of J-Cells he'd at one time had in his body.

Yeah, Cid was just a pilot... At the begin of the story. Then he joins your party, kicks the ass of Jenova, the Weapons, and Sephiroth, and becomes much stronger(as proved by AC).
RPG characters evolves during their adventure to save the planet/universe/whatever. Cid is not different.

One of Barrets Limit Breaks in the game, is using a satelite to shoot his enemyes from space. Do you really thinks he have control over a satelite in the story?! Of course not!
Meteorain is the same. All Limit Breaks are the same. They are exagerated versions of what the characters can really do. Cloud cannot fly during Meteorain, and he cannot create meteors out of nowhere. That's only gameplay.

And some of his abilities are determined by J-cells, of course. But not levitation.

[Cloudane]

Gosh, there are some big egos in this thread.

Once again, as we were discussing in the "hate" thread, people are analysing this game FAR too much! Things like jumping in the air are just there for effect, I don't think they have an official explanation, it's just to look cool.

[Mercen-X]

Yeah, you're right. I apologize. I sometime's get Final Fantasy's confused with my own stories in which I absolutely must have an explanation for everything that ever happens lest there be a reason for some twit to examine and debunk my creations.

[Aerith's Knight]

Lets try using some logic and common sense, okay?

Dragon Mage was banned for condescending comments like this. Please don't fall to her level.

I didnt know she was banned..

anyway.. Lets put the facts straight here..

Sephiroth was a child that was implanted with JENOVA cells in the womb. This created a mutant/hybrid/monster child that turned out very strong.

He obeyed what he was told to do by SOLDIER until he thought that he might not be human.. when he found out what he was he got into a rage and went to find JENOVA.

Until this point it can be said he wasnt controlled, because JENOVA was also being contained in some sort of stasis pod.

After the pounding from cloud he fell into the mako stream with JENOVA's head.. but in FFVII hojo has JENOVA's head as well.. so he lost that.

All those who have JENOVA cells are drawn to the main body, but sephiroth seemed to use JENOVA.. not like a master, but like a weapon...

from what i can conclude is that he wasnt being controlled by force, but more by trying to please his mother like in FFVII:AC

Its a confusing subject, as it isnt made very clear.

[Forsaken Lover]

This is wha thappens when you overanalyze simple storylines.

Like the guy who once tried to convince people The Brain from Pinky & The Brain was a despot with a mentality similar to Hitler's.

Somethings are just plain and not meant to be delved into. FFVII's crapfest of a plot is one of them.

Unless we're talking about a sidestory? Like Barret and Dyne? There wa sa good story.

[Aerith's Knight]

This is wha thappens when you overanalyze simple storylines.

Like the guy who once tried to convince people The Brain from Pinky & The Brain was a despot with a mentality similar to Hitler's.

Somethings are just plain and not meant to be delved into. FFVII's crapfest of a plot is one of them.

Unless we're talking about a sidestory? Like Barret and Dyne? There wa sa good story.

amen brother.. could you please post like this in every conspiracy thread thought up by future esthar in the FFVIII forum?

I seem to be fighting a losing battle trying to convince people that Rinoa=Ultimecia=Zell=Squall=Big black guy.. is just overanalysing.. or one step beyond that.

[The Crystal]

I seem to be fighting a losing battle trying to convince people that Rinoa=Ultimecia=Zell=Squall=Big black guy.. is just overanalysing.. or one step beyond that.

It's "one step beyond that". The Ultimania already destroyed this theory, by stating that sorceresses have normal life-spams.
These people aren't overanalysing, they are directly contradicting official information.

People who still believe Rinoa is Ultimecia, are the same as people who believe Jenova was controling Sephiroth. They refuse to accept reality.

[Aerith's Knight]

*gets teary eyed*

sniff.. you two are now my best friends in these threads