Is Sephiroth actually Jenova?

[Dragon Mage]

Oh my my my. Some real clearing up needs to be done here.

Let's start from the beginning shall we, and lay down some facts.

Arrogant as always.

Well who pissed in your corn flakes?

You say I'm arrogant, yet look at your opening words. Did I not clearly and in great detail provide a plausible explanation for the question brought to bear? Seeing as I'm the only one to have done so, I've eliminated many speculative ideas....

Will you never be tired of presenting your opinion and speculation as a fact, on top of your high horse?

And not through my opinion either, thank you. Everything I posted was concluded after playing the game many times, examining the details, looking up reasons etc. on only reliable sources, and then I compiled my findings in one long 'essay' of sorts. More than you have done, I see.

Wrong. Sephiroth himself said he would use the planet as a vessel to travel the universe, like Jenova did a long time ago.
Jenova used planets as space-ships.

Very well. If you really want to say that a planet counts as a spaceship, then by all means, do so. Usually, the popular idea of a spaceship is the silver disc and so on and so on. You know. The kind of thing you see in movies. Thus, I did not go through the process of explaining how an entire planet was used as a spaceship. But, whatever floats your boat.

In reality, it was manipulating the knowledge of previous lives/memories immersed within the Lifestream.

No:

*Jenova's mimic ability*
Jenova has a mimic ability which allows it to read the memories and feelings of others, then adjust its appearance, speech and behaviour accordingly to immitate what it has seen. Jenova once used this ability to get close to the Ancients and infect them with its virus, which killed many of them.

This ability is not limited solely to Jenova itself, for those who have its
cells within them possess it as well, though in an incomplete form.
Immediately prior to the start of the game, when Cloud's mind was shattered, he ran into Tifa and seemed to immediately return to "normal" (-->P.13); this was because the mimic abilities of the Jenova cells inside Cloud read her mind, seeing her memories of him, which were then combined with his own ideal vision of himself, fashioning a new personality for him.

See? Nothing to do with "the knowledge of previous lives/memories immersed within the Lifestream".

I do believe we are referring to two separate and strikingly different situations here. I'm referring to the knowledge gained through the Lifestream as a kind of reconaissance, if you will. You are referring to manipulating the hosts memories (or what they think is a memory) so that the parasite (in this case, Jenova cells) remains intact and safe through the safety of the host. Different situations call for different actions.

It could have done this easily by spreading it's own cells throughout the Lifestream and then making it's own cells attack the host. If you've seen FF7: AC, then this would be similar to Geostigma.

Wrong again:

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According to Ifalna, the Ancients infected with the virus lost their sanity and turned into monsters.

Geostigma don't turn people into monsters.

True, it didn't. But then again, there was no direct force/creative mind behind Geostigma, was there? Had there been a being with the ability to control the Jenova cells, and with the inherent mutant powers we know that Jenova cells are capable of, Jenova could effectively turn people into monsters. Who knows what the true powers of Jenova can do. It could probably do more.

And:

Vicious, extremely aggressive and cunning. Having no thoughts of creating anything following bringing destruction, it only follows its instincts to incite ruin, utilizing its mimic ability (-->P.211) to infect other living organisms with its virus.

Not the Lifestream, but "living organisms".

Jenova's virus was NOT Geostigma. It was something completely different

Ah, this is a common misconception. I never said it was Geostigma. I said it was like Geostigma. All this comparison was for, was to find something relatable for the reader to get a better understanding of it. If they are asking a question that requires an answer via my essay, then I wouldn't assume they have a very deep understanding of the fine nuances of the game. That's why they're asking the question! So, I made a rough reference to something they are no doubt familiar with so they could get the gist of the idea. You see? Don't get so riled up over such a simple thing for goodness' sake.

To do this, they first injected members of SOLDIER, an elite fighting group attached to Shinra with Jenova cells, not only to see what effect it would have, but to get the Promised Land sensing ability as well. However, the Jenova cells had little or no effect on the SOLDIERs. This is because the mind and body reacted to the foreign substance and attacked it, destroying the cells before the cells could do anything. In an attempt to get around the body’s defense, the experiment subjects were submerged in Mako. This brought down the body’s defense—for reasons I’ll explain later—and this brought into being the Sephiroth ‘clones’. However, these ‘clones’ did not posses the ability the Shinra were seeking, so an unborn infant was directly injected with Jenova cells, to work in the alien cells with human DNA--truly fusing the two species together. This is the creation of Sephiroth.

Bull. Sephiroth was the first one to be injected with J-cells, to find the Promised Land. After they found out the cells granted him super strength, speed, and skill, they decided to inject all SOLDIERs with them.

Go check your facts again, dear boy. Hojo himself said that he injected his unborn child with Jenova cells. He also states that he is Sephiroth's father.

This is why Sephiroth came out the way he did, and the other SOLDIER's didn't become 'sephiroth clones'. And besides, the entire game, Sephiroth speaks of 'finding the promised land'. He even kills President Shinra because the Shinra were poking their noses into finding the promised land as well. Since when did he ever get there? I don't know where you're getting this from.

Now, I'll get back to the power of Jenova. These cells have an adverse affect on human cells, changing normal human cells into something more like Jenova cells. This grants humans some limited powers of Jenova, thus the reason for flying, walking on ceilings, and being unnaturally strong.

Wrong. No humans(injected with J-cells) can do that. Only Sephiroth(the real one) could fly, and only after he became Safer Sephiroth(and in the end of AC).

I don't mean literal 'flying' as with wings, dear boy. And Cloud did manage to levitate and walk on ceilings in the North Crater, yes? I doubt Sephiroth was the one manipulating Cloud, as I do believe he was saving his energy for using the black materia. He had already pushed Cloud's mind to the breaking point, and to handing him the black materia. Cloud did the rest: Sephiroth had comparitively little to do when Hojo confirmed that Cloud had been used as an experiment.

Yes, Cloud never did that again. However, did Cloud ever get into the mental breakdown state he was in at the time ever again? The answer is no. Not even when Aerith died. These were powers deep in the subconcious, seen only when there was very little Cloud left. So much for that theory, The Crystal, but I guess it was worth a shot. Don't feel bad, failure happens all the time. You're just particularly prone to it.

However, Cloud, in some fashion it, is never really explained, manages to get hold of the identity of his deceased friend Zack, and thus thinks he is Zack but with his own past.

Wrong again. It's explained how Cloud got hold of Zack's identity:

Immediately prior to the start of the game, when Cloud's mind was shattered, he ran into Tifa and seemed to immediately return to "normal" (-->P.13); this was because the mimic abilities of the Jenova cells inside Cloud read her
mind, seeing her memories of him, which were then combined with his own ideal vision of himself, fashioning a new personality for him.

Obs: "a new personality for him" = Zack's personality.

It was the J-cells.

Really? And where in that quote does it say that it 'fused' with his own ideal vision of himself? If it's and ideal version of himself, then why does he abandon so much of his own personality to pick up so much of Zack's? Wouldn't it be better to be your OWN ideal self, not your own ideal someone else? That's stretching it, Crystal. Indeed, I can only conclude that it's your own interpretation of how 'Zoud' came about.

You say I'm selling my speculation as truth, yet I don't see you doing anything but what you accuse me of. There's a word for people like you: You're kind is generally called a hypocrite.

and I believe I'll leave it at that.

Yes, please.

Do a favor to us: get down of your high horse, and stop presenting your assumptions as facts.

I can say the same of you. Here's a tip: When you accuse someone of a particular thing, it's a good idea to NOT do that very thing as well. Makes you look bad. Stupid. You know. A bigoted hypocrite!