Is Sephiroth actually Jenova?

[The Crystal]

Dragon Mage, it doesn't matter how many times you played the game. If your conclusions goes against official information, then you are wrong.

Very well. If you really want to say that a planet counts as a spaceship, then by all means, do so. Usually, the popular idea of a spaceship is the silver disc and so on and so on. You know. The kind of thing you see in movies. Thus, I did not go through the process of explaining how an entire planet was used as a spaceship. But, whatever floats your boat.

Did you forget what you said? Let me quote you:

However it skipped the expected space-ship arrival and came to the planet without anything else than itself.

But Jenova came in a planet.

I do believe we are referring to two separate and strikingly different situations here. I'm referring to the knowledge gained through the Lifestream as a kind of reconaissance, if you will. You are referring to manipulating the hosts memories (or what they think is a memory) so that the parasite (in this case, Jenova cells) remains intact and safe through the safety of the host. Different situations call for different actions.

You are refering to Jenova gaining/absorbing knowledge from the Lifestream, something that never happened. It's just another of your assumptions.

True, it didn't. But then again, there was no direct force/creative mind behind Geostigma, was there? Had there been a being with the ability to control the Jenova cells, and with the inherent mutant powers we know that Jenova cells are capable of, Jenova could effectively turn people into monsters. Who knows what the true powers of Jenova can do. It could probably do more.

Jenova's virus was NEVER called "Geostigma" by ANY official source released by S-E, so stop calling it that. And there WAS a "creative mind" behind her virus. The original Jenova(at the time of the Cetra) is described by the UOG as being "cunning" and "manipulative".
And about Geostigma itself, Sephiroth was controling the J-cells to create it.
Both Sephiroth and the original Jenova were "creative minds".

Not to mention, your original quote was:

It could have done this easily by spreading it's own cells throughout the Lifestream and then making it's own cells attack the host. If you've seen FF7: AC, then this would be similar to Geostigma

The part in bold never happened. It's an assumption you made, and presented as a fact.

Ah, this is a common misconception. I never said it was Geostigma. I said it was like Geostigma. All this comparison was for, was to find something relatable for the reader to get a better understanding of it. If they are asking a question that requires an answer via my essay, then I wouldn't assume they have a very deep understanding of the fine nuances of the game. That's why they're asking the question! So, I made a rough reference to something they are no doubt familiar with so they could get the gist of the idea. You see? Don't get so riled up over such a simple thing for goodness' sake.

Yeah, and I proved it ISN'T "like Geostigma".
Geostigma is "a condition brought on by the overworking of the body's immune system, trying to purge Jenova's cells that have entered the body." as explained by the Compilation Ultimania.
Jenova's virus was the J-cells transforming people into monsters.
Not "like Geostigma" at all.

And you said the original Jenova corrupted the Lifestream, something that never happened. This is why I answered with this:

And:

Vicious, extremely aggressive and cunning. Having no thoughts of creating anything following bringing destruction, it only follows its instincts to incite ruin, utilizing its mimic ability (-->P.211) to infect other living organisms with its virus.

Not the Lifestream, but "living organisms".

Read the part in bold. "other living organisms" NOT "the Lifestream".

Go check your facts again, dear boy. Hojo himself said that he injected his unborn child with Jenova cells. He also states that he is Sephiroth's father.

This is why Sephiroth came out the way he did, and the other SOLDIER's didn't become 'sephiroth clones'.

Learn to read. Did I say Sephiroth wasn't Hojo's son? No.
And the other SOLDIERs didn't became Sephiroth clones because of their strong will.

And besides, the entire game, Sephiroth speaks of 'finding the promised land'. He even kills President Shinra because the Shinra were poking their noses into finding the promised land as well. Since when did he ever get there? I don't know where you're getting this from.

Learn to read. I said he was injected with J-cells "to find the Promised Land". I never said he found it.

I don't mean literal 'flying' as with wings, dear boy. And Cloud did manage to levitate and walk on ceilings in the North Crater, yes? I doubt Sephiroth was the one manipulating Cloud, as I do believe he was saving his energy for using the black materia. He had already pushed Cloud's mind to the breaking point, and to handing him the black materia. Cloud did the rest: Sephiroth had comparitively little to do when Hojo confirmed that Cloud had been used as an experiment.

If you wasn't talking about "literal flying" then you should have choosen another word. "Levitating" for example.
And have Cloud ever flied or walked on ceilings again, after that moment? No? I wonder why. :rolleyes2

Yes, Cloud never did that again. However, did Cloud ever get into the mental breakdown state he was in at the time ever again? The answer is no. Not even when Aerith died. These were powers deep in the subconcious, seen only when there was very little Cloud left.

Speculation =/= fact

Really? And where in that quote does it say that it 'fused' with his own ideal vision of himself? If it's and ideal version of himself, then why does he abandon so much of his own personality to pick up so much of Zack's? Wouldn't it be better to be your OWN ideal self, not your own ideal someone else? That's stretching it, Crystal. Indeed, I can only conclude that it's your own interpretation of how 'Zoud' came about.

His "own ideal vision of himself" is the vision of him being a 1st Class. It was what he wanted to be.

And it's not my interpretation. What I presented in my previous post was a quote from the UOG.
Oh, but I forgot you know more about FFVII than the creators of it. Sorry. :rolleyes2

You can call me "dear boy" all you want. That just proves how arrogant you are.


But really, stop making yourself look like a fool. If you don't have any concrete evidence(aka, quotes from the games, information from the books or interviews with the creators) to support your argument, then shut up.

It's easy to see you are full of . We just need to read the official materials.



Hey, guys and girls. Don't let Dragon Mage fool you again. Go here:

Compilation Network - Compilation of Final Fantasy VII Ultimania

And here:

Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega FAQ - IGN FAQs



Now everyone can find out when you are lying, Dragon Mage. Isn't that great?!
I think it is.


Have a nice day.