Off the topic, she also has no eyebrows. I wonder why?Originally Posted by Big D
Off the topic, she also has no eyebrows. I wonder why?
Personally, I had comparing character designs. They didn't feel like giving her eyebrows. Many times people in FF's aren't designed for a particular reason. Why does Maria of FFII insist on wearing a Bikini? Even when travelling through winter Tundras? Because the game designers wanted a girl in a Bikini.
It's obvious that the game hasn't told us the whole story, otherwise FF8 would be the most huge game ever because details based on time lines and time travel are huge! Logically speaking, I think Enix only picked certain events from the story and demonstrated them in the game.
<-PAST----------PRESENT----------FUTURE->
Pretty much the game has represented the most events from the present timeline and only a few events from the past and the future. A few events, indeed, which is why it's questionable for us to wonder what did actually happen after and before these "a few events" to understand the plot correctly.
Same question as where in the game did it mention time wasn't fully compressed? It's possible that Ultimecia has used more than one TC.If thats the way you want to play.
1. Where in the game does it mention time is fully compressed?
Consider this, if the story is HUGE (such as ones that we haven't seen from the game), do you really think that an individual (e.g. Ultimecia) just happen to use TC for the first time and it amazingly failed?
Ooh, that's kinda debating, I think. Squall did appear at the end of the game, it's just a bit awkward to see the last shot of Squall smiling all just in 3 seconds. As for Rinoa getting pissed off, no I don't think she was like that. Like I said before, Rinoa is on White Wing, there's no way for her to get pissed off. She became sad at the time when Squall laying on the ground. Also just because you are on White Wing and getting pissed off doesn't mean you will automatically become Black Wing. You will need more powerful powers in order to become Black Wing.2. Where in the game is it hinted Rinoa got super pissed off after Squall died.
Like others said, the game didn't explicitly state that Rinoa has survived to Ultimecia's time and the guide also stated that human span is just the same, blah blah.3. Where is it hinted that Rinoa could survive long enough to get to Ultimecia's time
Closing this thread all for taking interest in FF8? What a shame. Honestly, if you feel tired of trying to disprove theories, you may as well leave them alone.Which is why this thread should be closed before mind-poison fools a poor unsuspecting lurker
As for appearance, it doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter if Rinoa and Ultimecia look the same. Most of the characters in FF8 use the same size (eyes, fingers, etc.)
Last edited by Serapy; 06-24-2008 at 04:03 AM.
This just proves the ignorance needed to believe a theory like this. When I try and do something stated by Square, you tell me that if it ain't in the game, I can't use it in this debate. But you can say "Not all the story was told"? No, it doesn't work like that, sorry bub.It's obvious that the game hasn't told us the whole story, otherwise FF8 would be the most huge game ever because details based on time lines and time travel are huge! Logically speaking, I think Enix only picked certain events from the story and demonstrated them in the game.
<-PAST----------PRESENT----------FUTURE->
Are you implying that the game was 100% clear? That was the whole point. In general, it doesn't have anything to do with R=U.
Never but a game having plot holes and inconsistency doesn't give someone permission to make things up~
EDIT: You still managed to make a very large post without showing any part of dialogue in the game that even supports R=U a little bit.
Dialogue? Dialogues are very helpful as they can prove something but sometimes they can be problematic because:
1) Not everybody in FF8 make dialogues.
2) Not enough details.
3) Misconceptions due to many reasons: writers being lazy, specific FF8 charcaters made lies or the dialogues are not exactly the same in each language version.
If one of the reasons above occur, where does that lead us to? Judgements of the images / story from the game.
Are you serious? Dialogue is the main way a video game creator has to give his story to the audience.
The definition of "brink" is:
Brink - the limit or point of which something begins or occurs
So, it seems to me that Ulti is saying Time Compression only began, not that it was completed.
Oh god, PuPu with the knock-out punch.
The definition of "brink" is:
Brink - the limit or point of which something begins or occurs
So, it seems to me that Ulti is saying Time Compression only began, not that it was completed.
Hi five! *Hi fives*
Also, there's a reason why this game is called Final Fantasy 8. Fantasy!
Yes, but was that the first TC she ever used?The definition of "brink" is:
Brink - the limit or point of which something begins or occurs
So, it seems to me that Ulti is saying Time Compression only began, not that it was completed.
Actually if you really wanna get into fanboyism, Final Fantasy was named as such because at the time Square was going out of business and they assumed it would be their last project, thus they named it "Final Fantasy" as in "Our Final Fantasy". That still doesn't mean there isn't a direct storyline. Fantasy is also a genre of writing which has a storyline, but exists in a realm that it is impossible for the actions to have occurred in real life (thus making it different from fiction and needing its on genre). It doesn't mean, here's some stuff, now twist the storyline however you please.Also, there's a reason why this game is called Final Fantasy 8. Fantasy!
Yes, but was that the first TC she ever used?The definition of "brink" is:
Brink - the limit or point of which something begins or occurs
So, it seems to me that Ulti is saying Time Compression only began, not that it was completed.
As for the that second part, that is pure speculation and is never even hinted.
Exactly. Fantasy = incomparable to real life = leads to many things, especially when it comes to time travel. FF8 just made it more mysterious than the other FF games.
Squall and his party have travelled across generations (alot of years ahead of the present time) to fight Ultimecia. This is one of the future events.As for the that second part, that is pure speculation and is never even hinted.
Years years years ago, the Great Hyne was born and then created Sorceresses. This is one of the past events.
Statistically (based on years and sorceresses), chances of TC happening for the first time (the one we saw from the game) are quite slim.
There is not enough information in Final Fantasy VIII to bring inferential statistics into this discussion.
Anyway, when Ultimecia needed to cast Time Compression, she needed to cast it in 3 places in time. She was only able to reach the point furthest in the past through the use of Ellone. As the game states that the Junction Machine Ellone cannot go far enough back in time for the purpose of time compression, and that there is only one recorded person who can go back in time (Ellone), it is unlikely that any other sorceress could cast time compression.
And anyway, let's assume time compression had occured before. If it had, all events and people would be compressed into one unit of time. This means that there could be no movement through time by these people. Because thee could be no movement in time, this means that none of the events in Final Fantasy VIII could have occured. So, this assumption is found false under evidence, and must be rejected. Therefore, time compression has not EVER happened.
If we look at the Scan description of Ultimecia, it says:
"A sorceress trying to change the world by compressing time and taking power from all sorceresses."
If time compression was already completed, why would she still be "trying" to achieve it?
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