Square-Enix's Remakes and Spins-off VS Final Fantasy Fandom.

[Forsaken Lover]

I guess I'll have to wait to say sh*t about the remake of Friday the 13th too....

[mose-schrute]

Wait, are you serious?

[Roogle]

I feel that Square Enix is on a productive path with its marketing. I believe that they are saving a substantial amount of development time on each title that they push out, and, because of this, they are able to produce more titles and generate more revenue.

As a fan, I think this is a bad idea because it limits the creativity seen in every Square Enix title. As a marketer, I think this is a great idea because of the time and resources saved as a result of cashing in on franchise titles and individual titles.

[Bolivar]

FL, I think you're getting carried away. Yes, Ehrgeiz was somewhat of a simplistic fighter. Yes, Dirge of Cerberus doesn't hold up very well as a shooter.

But anyone dramatic enough to make them out to be horrendous atrocities that completely obliterate the credibility of the company and its titles, cares waaaaaaaaay too much about video games.

When I look at alot of the spinoffs and remakes over just the last few years - FFIIIDS, Revenant Wings, Tactics Advance, now A2, War of the Lions, Crisis Core, Dawn of Souls, IV, V, and VI Advance, and now even the IV DS project has even the hard-headed self-proclaimed oldschoolers drooling...

I gotta say alot of them have been quality products. I think the amount that FFII gained from its original WSC port is enough to say there is some merit in projects such as these.

So I don't see how the "fans" are getting royally screwed, nor how the "fanboys" are so dumb that they'd buy anything. Alot of them have been good games, and I've enjoyed some of them myself. Ones that suck (Dirge), I don't buy, and I don't see how it could ever change the way I view the original FFVII.

[Roogle]

But anyone dramatic enough to make them out to be horrendous atrocities that completely obliterate the credibility of the company and its titles, cares waaaaaaaaay too much about video games.

This is true. A bad game does not supercede a good game in a series, and there is always hope that the series will be back on track with its next game. This happens a lot in other genres of video games.

[Wolf Kanno]

For me, I've lost some faith in SE due primarily to the Compilation of VII. It doesn't do anything but tarnish the reputation of the original. Its the physical incarnation of my reasoning of why you don't make sequels and prequels to an FF. Half of it is pretentious nonsense and the other half is a fanboy wet dream and neither do anything to expand upon the original game, you know, the good one. There were some good ideas which were twisted and destroyed by a series of bad ideas and horrible execution. I'm only happy cause I know I never supported it, and for all intents and purposes I'm just going to pretend it never happened.

[Jessweeee♪]

I like them n.n


If someone doesn't like spin-offs and prequels they just shouldn't buy them >.>

Then everyone is happy.

[Momiji]

For me, I've lost some faith in SE due primarily to the Compilation of VII. It doesn't do anything but tarnish the reputation of the original. Its the physical incarnation of my reasoning of why you don't make sequels and prequels to an FF. Half of it is pretentious nonsense and the other half is a fanboy wet dream and neither do anything to expand upon the original game, you know, the good one. There were some good ideas which were twisted and destroyed by a series of bad ideas and horrible execution. I'm only happy cause I know I never supported it, and for all intents and purposes I'm just going to pretend it never happened.

I agree with Wolf Kanno. S-E will make lousy spinoff games for no reason other than generating sales, because they know the obsessed fanboys/fangirls will buy them no matter how awful they are. To me, spinoffs go far beyond 'tarnishing the reputation' of their original titles, they actually make me less interested in the original titles as well.

As for FFVII, which I have made very clear that I feel that it is extremely overrated, a mediocre game at best, all the spinoffs have done nothing but make me hate the VII series in general. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the original VII; I just think it's awfully overrated, and has generated an irritating fanbase who are starry-eyed over lousy characters and Sephiroth, who in my opinion is one of the worst villains in the Playstation era of Final Fantasy. Not only that, they are blind to the fact that the story was confusing and rather dull.

FFX-2 did the same thing for me. I enjoyed FFX a lot, and I had very high expectations for the sequel. What did I end up playing? A lousy spinoff that ruins the main story, soaked in half-assed fanservice. I have had no desire to replay FFX since. Think of it as 'dislike by association'.

I'm even skeptical of the FFIV sequel. FFIV is by far my favorite Final Fantasy overall, and something tells me the sequel will do nothing for the story.

[Roogle]

I'm even skeptical of the FFIV sequel. FFIV is by far my favorite Final Fantasy overall, and something tells me the sequel will do nothing for the story.

It would be very difficult for Square Enix to ruin the feel of the original because this game is on a mobile phone, and it has the same graphical style as its predecessor. Its general overview looks more darker than Final Fantasy X-2 was to Final Fantasy X, and its gameplay is very similar to Final Fantasy IV, unlike Final Fantasy VII and Dirge of Cerberus, so this type of thing hasn't been done yet —

[Wolf Kanno]

Concerning FFIV-2, its not the gameplay side of it that bothers me, its the fact that making a sequel seems pointless. What is there left to say? The orignial ending gave a pretty decent idea what everyone would do afterwards. The orignal doesn't have enough elements storywise to warrant a sequel. I don't see the point of going back to this world outside of just seeing my favorite characters again but even then I was quite satisfied where things left off in the original.

There are no background elements to explore and the only way to generate a real plot for it will be to make some new bull threat to existence. Overall it just seems it may end up being one of those cash in sequels that Hollywood likes to make.:rolleyes2

This game really feels more like a whoring out a popular franchise than the Compilation if only cause making a sequel to IV is downright implausible. Its like making a sequel to Hamlet or Romeo and Juliet.

[jammi567]

Ohhh, well, i not particuarly interested in them anyway.

At least Square did one thing right with Kingdom Hearts - they made it with sequals in mind.

[ljkkjlcm9]

My biggest problem with sequels, is when they do weird things. FFIV sequels for cell phones? What about those that want it elsewhere. FFXII:RW on DS? I don't own a PS2, never played FFXII, but played RW just because I had a DS. That doesn't make sense but that's how it works. I played FFVII on the PC, and do not own a PSP. I will not buy it for one game... but I want to play Crisis Core. Will I ever be able to? Probably not.

I suppose that's just how it works, but it does get annoying at times.

THE JACKEL

[Momiji]

Concerning FFIV-2, its not the gameplay side of it that bothers me, its the fact that making a sequel seems pointless. What is there left to say? The orignial ending gave a pretty decent idea what everyone would do afterwards. The orignal doesn't have enough elements storywise to warrant a sequel. I don't see the point of going back to this world outside of just seeing my favorite characters again but even then I was quite satisfied where things left off in the original.

There are no background elements to explore and the only way to generate a real plot for it will be to make some new bull threat to existence. Overall it just seems it may end up being one of those cash in sequels that Hollywood likes to make.:rolleyes2

This game really feels more like a whoring out a popular franchise than the Compilation if only cause making a sequel to IV is downright implausible. Its like making a sequel to Hamlet or Romeo and Juliet.

@Roogle: This is basically what I was going to say, but WK beat me to it. It isn't the fact that it looks the same and plays the same, it's that there's nothing else to do with the story.


Besides, it's not like FFIV is one of the more popular ones, and people who aren't a fan of it now won't care about a sequel. FFIV seems to be very much a 'love it or hate it' game, mainly because the newer generations of gamers have no smurfing idea who Cecil or Rydia are, but they know who Yuna and Vaan are.

[Avarice-ness]

Non-FF titles like Front Mission, Mana series, and Chrono series need more love).

They've already got love and it's tainted MANY die hard fans love for the Mana series.

Due to lack of sales and over all condemning by the gaming world the mana series (unless they remake Seiken Densetsu 2 and release Seiken Densetsu 3 to the US) has essentially killed any plans for further mana games. And it's due to sales of Sword of Mana (SD remake on GBA), SD4 and the World of Mana spin offs.

Honestly, I think they would have had better luck just re-releasing SD2 and a US SD3 release than making SD4 and it's World of Mana counter parts.

Granted, I'm that fan that will still play the bad games even if it means grudging through things that are horrible. But then again, it's the fans like me that keep Squeenix believeing that mass spin off's and sequels and prequels are great.

[Bolivar]

For me, I've lost some faith in SE due primarily to the Compilation of VII. It doesn't do anything but tarnish the reputation of the original. Its the physical incarnation of my reasoning of why you don't make sequels and prequels to an FF. Half of it is pretentious nonsense and the other half is a fanboy wet dream and neither do anything to expand upon the original game, you know, the good one. There were some good ideas which were twisted and destroyed by a series of bad ideas and horrible execution. I'm only happy cause I know I never supported it, and for all intents and purposes I'm just going to pretend it never happened.

I agree with Wolf Kanno. S-E will make lousy spinoff games for no reason other than generating sales, because they know the obsessed fanboys/fangirls will buy them no matter how awful they are. To me, spinoffs go far beyond 'tarnishing the reputation' of their original titles, they actually make me less interested in the original titles as well.

As for FFVII, which I have made very clear that I feel that it is extremely overrated, a mediocre game at best, all the spinoffs have done nothing but make me hate the VII series in general. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the original VII; I just think it's awfully overrated, and has generated an irritating fanbase who are starry-eyed over lousy characters and Sephiroth, who in my opinion is one of the worst villains in the Playstation era of Final Fantasy. Not only that, they are blind to the fact that the story was confusing and rather dull.

FFX-2 did the same thing for me. I enjoyed FFX a lot, and I had very high expectations for the sequel. What did I end up playing? A lousy spinoff that ruins the main story, soaked in half-assed fanservice. I have had no desire to replay FFX since. Think of it as 'dislike by association'.

I'm even skeptical of the FFIV sequel. FFIV is by far my favorite Final Fantasy overall, and something tells me the sequel will do nothing for the story.

I guess there's another way to rephrase it:

If a video game company making products is that upsetting to you, you should probably not let it be apart of your life, much less spending time complaining about it on an internet message board.

And this: "S-E will make lousy spinoff games for no reason other than generating sales, because they know the obsessed fanboys/fangirls will buy them no matter how awful they are."

^I think you're overlooking the fact that alot of them actually are good games, such as Tactics Advance, Revenant Wings, IIIDS, IVDS, the advance remakes, now TA2, and Crisis Core has gotten a pretty nice consensus.

Also, saying FFVII is overrated is like saying Star Wars is overrated, and you claiming IV is the best makes it doubly true, as it is (9 times out of 10) usually Star Trek fans who make that argument.