Well, one thing that's considered a retcon is (SPOILER)the fact that the Colonel was apparently not an AI during the course of MGS2 until the end. :o
Well, one thing that's considered a retcon is (SPOILER)the fact that the Colonel was apparently not an AI during the course of MGS2 until the end. :o
He was an (SPOILER)AI, nothing that happens in MGS4 says otherwise I believe.
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(SPOILER)Big Boss being aliveagain, what retconning?
Liquid being dead the whole time
Mei Ling having a different accent
The data on the Patriots retrieved from GW being a load of rubbish
GW was destroyed but then got repaired
The Patriots aren't humans at all
Naomi has cancer
Metal Gear REX, after you literally blew it to pieces in MGS1, manages to get back operational after fiddling with the power for a few minutes
Snake's Foxdie now has the ability to kill everyone on the planet
The game was still awesome, just some of the things were fine as they were and didn't need to be changed.
there was a picture here
This game sucks.
Only kidding. Dammit. When will my PS3 and my copy of the game arrive? Hopefully by Wednesay.
"They said this day would never come. They said our sights were set too high. They said this country was too divided, too disillusioned to ever come around a common purpose. But on this January night, at this defining moment in history, you have done what the cynics said we couldn't do." - Barack Obama.
clicky clicky clicky
For some reason my game keeps resetting on the (SPOILER)Screaming Mantis boss fight whenever I've almost beaten it. o__O
I like Kung-Fu.
She must be crossing the fourth wall to avoid losing.
Yeah, that. I never got that far with her, the only weird thing she did for me was to 'change' the video input on my TV to 'Hideo 1', but apparently she does more if you linger long enough.Originally Posted by Kentarou
well, I don't think different accents could be considered retcons considering it doesn't have an impact on past story events, and it's been that way since The Twin Snakes on Gamecube.
(SPOILER)What the patriots actually were has been debated since their introduction, and 3 of them were alive for the events of MGS4.
REX wasn't blown to pieces, in fact you had a boss fight ontop of it after you disabled it.
As far as most of the others you mentioned, (SPOILER)BB being alive, Liquid being dead, Naomi's cancer and Snake's FOXDIE - you should be used to all of those things by now if you've played previous games in the series.
I just finished the game. (SPOILER)I baaawwwwwww'd.
Now, can someone explain to me what the opening FMV's intended meaning was?
I like Kung-Fu.
'Meaning', I don't know. They all had something to do with the game's themes though. And after the 'main' part of each of the various programs was a commercial for one of the 4 PMC groups.
The one with the man wearing the Solid Eyes being interviewed by the woman, the man is Snake's voice actor David Hayter (perhaps obvious), but the woman interviewing him was Lee Meriwether--former Catwoman and voice of Big Mama.
Mainly, I think they were put in there just to be different :P A peek into Kojima's mind.
I always thought the meanings of the opening FMV's was to show what TV has turned into in MGS4's world. Oh and all the people you see in the FMV's are voice actors for the game.
I bought it and a PS3 today. I'll come back here when I'm finished. xP
Well in response to Bolivar who asked what sucked about MGS4 :
***MAJOR SPOILERS***
I don't know why would anyone who has been paying attention to the previous titles of the game, would even think that MGS4 is brilliant or even has great story, because it's one huge self-contradiction to rest of the MGS titles.
1. Big Boss is blatant fan service - I don't care what anyone says...it's fan service. Unfortunately, it was catered to those fans who would rather piss all over his great character just so there could be one last father/son bonding scene. He's been in a coma for 15 years, comes back, explains stuff, then dies. An unnecessary, and flat-out stupid retcon. For some reason, Big Boss just had to be yet another "I'm a good guy that turned into a bad guy but I was really a good guy all along" character. He died in MG2:SS, why couldn't Kojima leave it there? We will never know.
2. The "explanation" for Liquid Ocelot is a cop out AND a retcon. We clearly saw that it was Liquid controlling Ocelot's body in MGS2, period. Kojima didn't intend to explain how Liquid did it, he was just going to leave it like that. It was supposed to be the last MGS game. The arm is now a mechanical one in MGS4 (just like he wanted it to be before MGS2 development) and Ocelot went under "Psychotherapy". Flat out COP OUT!
3. Vamp's immortality through nanomachines isas well. I don't care how fast he can heal, a bullet to the head will kill you instantly. Another slap to the face by Kojima. It's seems his answer to everything is "NANOMACHINEZ":
"He was dead!"
"Nanomachines."
"He's immortal!"
"Nanomachines."
"That man just became a platypus!"
"Nanomachines."
But to be honest, he screwed up in MGS2 to begin with by making him seem immortal.
4. Ninja Raiden is another fan service as well. He may have been gay MGS2, but his character was no longer needed in MGS. He was done at the end of MGS2, just remember what Snake told him. But no, Kojima felt that there was some need to bring him back, but in order to please fans he changed him completely into a ninja, now idiot fanboys want to play this loser, and his character was pissed all over as well with his emo "I have nothing to live for" attitude... And it was supposed to be Snake finding Sunny, but this was retconned as well as badass Raiden found her and left her under Otacon & Snake. And most of all, Kojima provided no info on why he went from a loser to an "extreme badass".
5. GW was destroyed in MGS2, but then retconned to only be destroyed into pieces in MGS4 (BS)...so all of Emma's efforts were for
Colonel : Raiden, are you receiving? We're still here.
Raiden : How's that possible!? The AI was destroyed!
Colonel : Only GW...
Raiden : Who are you?
6. Vamp's ability to read people's muscles in MGS2 was changed, and now he can no longer read Snake's in MGS4...which in MGS2, Raiden was the only one he was able to read and had Snake pinned down after he slaughtered Seal Team 10.
So from this quote, if this was a Snake vs. Vamp fight, Snake would have never stood a chance.Vamp : Hahaha... I thought so. Human muscles are quite eloquent. They
speak-out clearly what the person's next movement will be. They
even tell me which way a gun will be pointed before the trigger
is pulled. But your muscles -- they're different. This should be
fun...well worth the wait.
Raiden : You knew I was coming?
Vamp : You think I'm going to lose -- I can't let you interfere with
Arsenal Gear.
7. The codec was absolutely useless. Like I previously said, they decided to focus more on cinematics & fan-wanks then actually story or gameplay. If you were to skip all cut-scenes, you will only get like...maybe 3 hours of gameplay compared to 8 hours of cut-scenes, and they were boring as hell; crappy dialogue, poor voice acting.
8. Naomi's death was so sudden and
9. The whole REX vs. RAY is yet another fan-wank. After so many times on take on and destroying a Metal Gear, they just keep coming back (REX), and everything works too. I guess this was also catered to those who would actually want to see a REX vs. RAY fight...well they got, and they just made the Shadow Moses act look like one huge smurfing joke.
10. Last but not least...MGS Database, which is possibly the dumbest thing. It contradicted MGS4, while MGS4 contradicted the other installments, so basically they went all ape-
So in conclusion, IMHO, MGS4 is the worst of the series...an complete fan-wanked game...It's cool if you like the game, I respect your opinion...but I'm trying to defend my opinion (before anyone pulls out " fuk u...ms4 iss epik!).
Overall I would give the game a 1.8/10...yes it was that disappointing to me. And now they want to piss all over Big Boss again, with a prequel (MGS5)...R.I.P. MGS Series.
Shoudnt you be used to this sort of stuff by now? I really dont get why your so dissapointed.
REX wasnt destroyed in MGS1. It wasnt already fixed, the Mk.II fixes it.
You would get MUCH more than 3 hours of gameplay. I thought the cutscenes werent included in the total time?
I hated really long codec scenes.
I get the feeling your really looking for things to hate about the game. Oh well, its only bad for yourself because this was one of the best game experiences I have had in my life.
A good point Outer Heaven made was about the nanomachines.They end up being the cause for almost everything that is weird in the series. Kind of a cop out if you ask me.
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