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[Fonzie]

Well in response to Bolivar who asked what sucked about MGS4 :



***MAJOR SPOILERS***






I don't know why would anyone who has been paying attention to the previous titles of the game, would even think that MGS4 is brilliant or even has great story, because it's one huge self-contradiction to rest of the MGS titles.








1. Big Boss is blatant fan service - I don't care what anyone says...it's fan service. Unfortunately, it was catered to those fans who would rather piss all over his great character just so there could be one last father/son bonding scene. He's been in a coma for 15 years, comes back, explains stuff, then dies. An unnecessary, and flat-out stupid retcon. For some reason, Big Boss just had to be yet another "I'm a good guy that turned into a bad guy but I was really a good guy all along" character. He died in MG2:SS, why couldn't Kojima leave it there? We will never know.

2. The "explanation" for Liquid Ocelot is a cop out AND a retcon. We clearly saw that it was Liquid controlling Ocelot's body in MGS2, period. Kojima didn't intend to explain how Liquid did it, he was just going to leave it like that. It was supposed to be the last MGS game. The arm is now a mechanical one in MGS4 (just like he wanted it to be before MGS2 development) and Ocelot went under "Psychotherapy". Flat out COP OUT!

3. Vamp's immortality through nanomachines is as well. I don't care how fast he can heal, a bullet to the head will kill you instantly. Another slap to the face by Kojima. It's seems his answer to everything is "NANOMACHINEZ":
"He was dead!"
"Nanomachines."

"He's immortal!"
"Nanomachines."

"That man just became a platypus!"
"Nanomachines."

But to be honest, he screwed up in MGS2 to begin with by making him seem immortal.

4. Ninja Raiden is another fan service as well. He may have been gay MGS2, but his character was no longer needed in MGS. He was done at the end of MGS2, just remember what Snake told him. But no, Kojima felt that there was some need to bring him back, but in order to please fans he changed him completely into a ninja, now idiot fanboys want to play this loser, and his character was pissed all over as well with his emo "I have nothing to live for" attitude... And it was supposed to be Snake finding Sunny, but this was retconned as well as badass Raiden found her and left her under Otacon & Snake. And most of all, Kojima provided no info on why he went from a loser to an "extreme badass".

5. GW was destroyed in MGS2, but then retconned to only be destroyed into pieces in MGS4 (BS)...so all of Emma's efforts were for . And it seems JFK has suddenly disappeared in MGS4, and now there's JD.

Colonel : Raiden, are you receiving? We're still here.

Raiden : How's that possible!? The AI was destroyed!

Colonel : Only GW...

Raiden : Who are you?

6. Vamp's ability to read people's muscles in MGS2 was changed, and now he can no longer read Snake's in MGS4...which in MGS2, Raiden was the only one he was able to read and had Snake pinned down after he slaughtered Seal Team 10.

Vamp : Hahaha... I thought so. Human muscles are quite eloquent. They
speak-out clearly what the person's next movement will be. They
even tell me which way a gun will be pointed before the trigger
is pulled. But your muscles -- they're different. This should be
fun...well worth the wait.

Raiden : You knew I was coming?

Vamp : You think I'm going to lose -- I can't let you interfere with
Arsenal Gear.

So from this quote, if this was a Snake vs. Vamp fight, Snake would have never stood a chance.

7. The codec was absolutely useless. Like I previously said, they decided to focus more on cinematics & fan-wanks then actually story or gameplay. If you were to skip all cut-scenes, you will only get like...maybe 3 hours of gameplay compared to 8 hours of cut-scenes, and they were boring as hell; crappy dialogue, poor voice acting.

8. Naomi's death was so sudden and ty "uh..I have cancer" *dies*.

9. The whole REX vs. RAY is yet another fan-wank. After so many times on take on and destroying a Metal Gear, they just keep coming back (REX), and everything works too. I guess this was also catered to those who would actually want to see a REX vs. RAY fight...well they got, and they just made the Shadow Moses act look like one huge smurfing joke.

10. Last but not least...MGS Database, which is possibly the dumbest thing. It contradicted MGS4, while MGS4 contradicted the other installments, so basically they went all ape- with MGS4. The game has only been out for a week and they are already retconning everything in MGS4 by adding more useless garbage like Area 51 etc. This is why I don't take MGS4 as canon, it has now become something you see on the Sci-Fi channel a smurfing cheap fantasy game...which brings me to my last and final point...:



So in conclusion, IMHO, MGS4 is the worst of the series...an complete fan-wanked game...It's cool if you like the game, I respect your opinion...but I'm trying to defend my opinion (before anyone pulls out " fuk u...ms4 iss epik!).

Overall I would give the game a 1.8/10...yes it was that disappointing to me. And now they want to piss all over Big Boss again, with a prequel (MGS5)...R.I.P. MGS Series.

Good god, you have a lot of sand in your vagina.

And while I do agree with some of those, you seem to focus only on the damn negatives.

[DMKA]

Well in response to Bolivar who asked what sucked about MGS4 :



***MAJOR SPOILERS***






I don't know why would anyone who has been paying attention to the previous titles of the game, would even think that MGS4 is brilliant or even has great story, because it's one huge self-contradiction to rest of the MGS titles.








1. Big Boss is blatant fan service - I don't care what anyone says...it's fan service. Unfortunately, it was catered to those fans who would rather piss all over his great character just so there could be one last father/son bonding scene. He's been in a coma for 15 years, comes back, explains stuff, then dies. An unnecessary, and flat-out stupid retcon. For some reason, Big Boss just had to be yet another "I'm a good guy that turned into a bad guy but I was really a good guy all along" character. He died in MG2:SS, why couldn't Kojima leave it there? We will never know.

2. The "explanation" for Liquid Ocelot is a cop out AND a retcon. We clearly saw that it was Liquid controlling Ocelot's body in MGS2, period. Kojima didn't intend to explain how Liquid did it, he was just going to leave it like that. It was supposed to be the last MGS game. The arm is now a mechanical one in MGS4 (just like he wanted it to be before MGS2 development) and Ocelot went under "Psychotherapy". Flat out COP OUT!

3. Vamp's immortality through nanomachines is as well. I don't care how fast he can heal, a bullet to the head will kill you instantly. Another slap to the face by Kojima. It's seems his answer to everything is "NANOMACHINEZ":
"He was dead!"
"Nanomachines."

"He's immortal!"
"Nanomachines."

"That man just became a platypus!"
"Nanomachines."

But to be honest, he screwed up in MGS2 to begin with by making him seem immortal.

4. Ninja Raiden is another fan service as well. He may have been gay MGS2, but his character was no longer needed in MGS. He was done at the end of MGS2, just remember what Snake told him. But no, Kojima felt that there was some need to bring him back, but in order to please fans he changed him completely into a ninja, now idiot fanboys want to play this loser, and his character was pissed all over as well with his emo "I have nothing to live for" attitude... And it was supposed to be Snake finding Sunny, but this was retconned as well as badass Raiden found her and left her under Otacon & Snake. And most of all, Kojima provided no info on why he went from a loser to an "extreme badass".

5. GW was destroyed in MGS2, but then retconned to only be destroyed into pieces in MGS4 (BS)...so all of Emma's efforts were for . And it seems JFK has suddenly disappeared in MGS4, and now there's JD.

Colonel : Raiden, are you receiving? We're still here.

Raiden : How's that possible!? The AI was destroyed!

Colonel : Only GW...

Raiden : Who are you?

6. Vamp's ability to read people's muscles in MGS2 was changed, and now he can no longer read Snake's in MGS4...which in MGS2, Raiden was the only one he was able to read and had Snake pinned down after he slaughtered Seal Team 10.

Vamp : Hahaha... I thought so. Human muscles are quite eloquent. They
speak-out clearly what the person's next movement will be. They
even tell me which way a gun will be pointed before the trigger
is pulled. But your muscles -- they're different. This should be
fun...well worth the wait.

Raiden : You knew I was coming?

Vamp : You think I'm going to lose -- I can't let you interfere with
Arsenal Gear.

So from this quote, if this was a Snake vs. Vamp fight, Snake would have never stood a chance.

7. The codec was absolutely useless. Like I previously said, they decided to focus more on cinematics & fan-wanks then actually story or gameplay. If you were to skip all cut-scenes, you will only get like...maybe 3 hours of gameplay compared to 8 hours of cut-scenes, and they were boring as hell; crappy dialogue, poor voice acting.

8. Naomi's death was so sudden and ty "uh..I have cancer" *dies*.

9. The whole REX vs. RAY is yet another fan-wank. After so many times on take on and destroying a Metal Gear, they just keep coming back (REX), and everything works too. I guess this was also catered to those who would actually want to see a REX vs. RAY fight...well they got, and they just made the Shadow Moses act look like one huge smurfing joke.

10. Last but not least...MGS Database, which is possibly the dumbest thing. It contradicted MGS4, while MGS4 contradicted the other installments, so basically they went all ape- with MGS4. The game has only been out for a week and they are already retconning everything in MGS4 by adding more useless garbage like Area 51 etc. This is why I don't take MGS4 as canon, it has now become something you see on the Sci-Fi channel a smurfing cheap fantasy game...which brings me to my last and final point...:



So in conclusion, IMHO, MGS4 is the worst of the series...an complete fan-wanked game...It's cool if you like the game, I respect your opinion...but I'm trying to defend my opinion (before anyone pulls out " fuk u...ms4 iss epik!).

Overall I would give the game a 1.8/10...yes it was that disappointing to me. And now they want to piss all over Big Boss again, with a prequel (MGS5)...R.I.P. MGS Series.

tl;dr

[Outer Heaven]

@The Fonz: How can I not focus on the negatives when the game if full of 'em? I guess the only good parts of the game were the flashbacks, some of the gameplay was ok, the soundtrack was pretty good as well. But that doesn't really make MGS4 any better. If the (SPOILER)Big Boss ending was removed and Snake succeeds in his suicide attempt. that there would have maybe made the game decent.

Ok maybe I was being mean, how about a 3/10 for MGS4, cuz I mean MGS1 had sucky grapix - you can't c snake's eyez, and it's old and mgs4 is badasss wit run n gameplay.[/sarcasm]

MGS1 is still the masterpiece even after 10 years.


@DMKA: Sorry my analysis of the game hurt your feelings.:mog:

[DMKA]

@DMKA: Sorry my analysis of the game hurt your feelings.:mog:

Nah, you didn't hurt my feelings. In fact, your overall butthurtness made me chuckle.

[Croyles]

Good god, you have a lot of sand in your vagina.

Or maybe something else down there?

Anyway, this was one of the best gaming experiences I have ever had and I dont care what anyone else says

[Ichimonji]

I loved MGS4 a lot. The gameplay was extremely fun; every cutscene was infused with emotional intensity, and the wad of fan service was like a big explosion of awesome for most crazed fans of the series. I.e.: Me. There are a plentitude of areas which are particularly amazing, especially a certain fight that I won’t name but anyone who has beaten the game will know what I’m talking about. I surprisingly loved the Beauty and the Beast bosses. Before the game came out they didn’t seem too interesting, but they were actually pretty cool. I loved all the freedom that you had to play the game the way you wanted, and especially adored Drebin’s Shop. That was just awesome.

That being said, I thought the game was a bit on the easy side. Even though you can play the game in full stealthy goodness, the gameplay is a lot more free-gunning action accessible. And along with the massive variety of guns you can purchase from any point in time, it pretty much whispers in your ear to treat the game like you’re playing Gears of War. So you can Rambo your way through a good portion of the title with very little consequence. Of course, you’ll reap better rewards at the end if you stealth it, but still, little consequence if you don’t. And yeah, some storyline elements were a bit out there, but that was all part of the awesome in my perspective.

However, as amazing as MGS4 was, I think MGS3 might still be my favourite. MGS3 was just perfect, and I have yet to see a better ending in a videogame. I was just emotionally captured by it. And oh yes, The End. Anyway, yeah. MGS4 is great.

[JKTrix]

As far as 'enjoyment level' goes, I think MGS3 was the most consistently great among the Solid games. MGS4 has several moments which to me completely outshine everything that came before it, though it also dips below MGS3's level from time to time.

Those moments are so good however, that I would rank it above MGS3 on my scale.

[Dreddz]

MGS3 was always the most disappointing in my opinion. The octo camo in MGS4 shows how unnessasarily long winded it was to change camo in MGS3. Plus healing wounds in MGS3 just felt like they were going too far with realism (even though it was entirely unrealistic how fast Snake could treat them).

MGS4 is up there with MGS2 (yes, im part of the weird breed who enjoyed MGS2 immensly). For the story, probably not. But for the gameplay, MGS4 shatters all previous MGS's without question.

[Roto13]

The Escapist : Video Galleries : Zero Punctuation : Metal Gear Solid 4

New Zero Punctuation covers Metal Gear Solid 4. Someone watch it and tell me if there are any spoilers past chapter 3.

[Mirage]

I couldn't spot any at all.

[Vivisteiner]

Finished Act 1 today. The gameplay is freaking awesome. The plot hasnt yet taken off though. The graphics are insaaaaaane!

[Roto13]

It really looks like most of Outer Heaven's complaints are basically the same one. The game is full of stuff that people would actually want to see. Ninja Raiden was awesome.

This is why I don't take MGS4 as canon,

Totally not up to you.

Anyway, I finished it just now. Holy snaps that ending was long. (SPOILER)Maybe a bit too much talking from Big Boss at the end. I think it could have been about half that long and still had the same effect. :P I did find the whole Zero thing interesting. It was so sad to see him in that state, and difficult to watch him die.

Overall, I'm very pleased with the game. Definitely a game for the fans. And Otacon cried several times, keeping his perfect record. He's cried in every MGS game so far!

Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that Meryl ended up marrying the soldier with diarrhea from MGS1? xD Actually, that whole proposal scene was the coolest part of the game. xD

[Croyles]

lol that video was funny! not true, but funny!

[JKTrix]

(SPOILER)Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that Meryl ended up marrying the soldier with diarrhea from MGS1? xD Actually, that whole proposal scene was the coolest part of the game. xD

That was actually the cheesiest part for me. The act itself was great, but I could have done without the "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" theatrics. I do like how Johnny was developed over the series history, culminating in this game. It even explains why he couldn't control himself :P (SPOILER)He also looks a lot like a really young Snake.Which could be part of Meryl's attraction.

[Roto13]

I thought he looked like Patrick Swayze.