I certainly hope that your friends have never enjoyed a Legend of Zelda game or a Mario game because they're a lot more childish than Final Fantasy IX is. If you want to make superficial judgements based on the appearances of the characters (i.e. looking like cartoon characters) then you're really missing out on the real gem of a game that is FFIX.Originally Posted by hhr1dluv
Not my words Carol, the words of Top Gear magazine.
Yeah, I wasn't sure of how to counter Vivisteiner's example, so I tried that one.I suppose I could have said something like, "There is no God! Waaaaaa!" That seems unnecessarily inflammatory.
It all comes down to my liking KH better than FFIX. I like KH more because it was the game that got me interested in games other than platformers.
Fine: KH = God the Father. Steiner = God the Son. Rest of FF universe = The Holy Ghost.
EDIT: I REPEAT...I AM NOT THE ONE WHO HAS A PROBLEM WITH FFIX. I have not played enough of it to have a conclusive say about any aspect of it. I feel like everyone keeps assuming that I hate it just because I was mentioning what others have thought about it.
And what's wrong with someone thinking a game is childish? Honestly? I can enjoy a game plenty and still think of it as childish. We're all negatively connoting this word for no reason.
I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VII: DoC, VII: CC, VIII, X, X-2, XII, KH, KH:CoM, Re:CoM, KHII, CT
^By saying its childish it means that the story (generally) doesn't deal with deep issues in a mature way. Thats just not true for FFIX.
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Okay, fine. I'll admit that the word childish is often used in a dismissive manner, and usually describes something as silly or immature.
However, childish also refers to something that befits a child. As a huge fan of children's literature (I'm 21), I tend not to immediately dismiss something as weak or silly just because it's intended for children. So, I do not automatically take the word 'childish' as insulting.
Just so people can stop making assumptions about my feelings toward FFIX, here's what I actually think. I have played FFIX up to Burmecia. I enjoyed what I played, though I did not enjoy it as much as I enjoyed FFX or FFVII. Obviously, I have not finished the game, so it's very possible that I could grow to like it a lot more. I remember the game seeming a lot more lighthearted on the surface, but it still had serious parts. But then, ALL Final Fantasies have lighthearted and serious moments.
I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VII: DoC, VII: CC, VIII, X, X-2, XII, KH, KH:CoM, Re:CoM, KHII, CT
Yes. The Beatrix/Steiner/Vivi/Freya storyline was VERY deep. My gosh, I didn't fully understand until recently.
Yeah, some 'childrens' literature is awesome. Just because its targeted at children doesn't mean its silly. Although FFIX isnt targeted at children.However, childish also refers to something that befits a child. As a huge fan of children's literature (I'm 21), I tend not to immediately dismiss something as weak or silly just because it's intended for children. So, I do not automatically take the word 'childish' as insulting.
You should play it some more! Burmecia is right at the beginning.Just so people can stop making assumptions about my feelings toward FFIX, here's what I actually think. I have played FFIX up to Burmecia. I enjoyed what I played, though I did not enjoy it as much as I enjoyed FFX or FFVII. Obviously, I have not finished the game, so it's very possible that I could grow to like it a lot more. I remember the game seeming a lot more lighthearted on the surface, but it still had serious parts. But then, ALL Final Fantasies have lighthearted and serious moments.
FFIX is more lighthearted than most, but I enjoyed that aspect of it. As you said, all FFs have elements of both.
Yeah! Every time I play it through I learn something new.Yes. The Beatrix/Steiner/Vivi/Freya storyline was VERY deep. My gosh, I didn't fully understand until recently.
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I think FFIX had its depressing moments too :P Burmecia, Alexandria's and Limblum's destruction still depress the crap out of me :P
No mention of the Black Waltz #3?
Thats personally my favorite FF IX Scene.
Dont make me cry. Please. Ive done enough of it already.
That FMV was sick. I love it when Vivi does this:No mention of the Black Waltz #3?
Thats personally my favorite FF IX Scene.
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Who? Who has actually stated "the only reason I liked FFVII is because I thought Sephiroth looked cool"? When I made a thread asking why people liked it, the #1 reason was STORY.
This is an attempt to explain why people cannot possibly have a different opinion than you do for legitimate reasons. The inability to relate to different people and perspectives is a clear indicator of underdevelopment as a human being.
First off, the argument can go either way about the two games, but the loves story was featured prominently in both. I'm not going to try to put up an argument about VIII's, but I will say that the game makes it clear from the very beginning that Squall is a character who says one thing but thinks another.
Also, I can understand how you might think Zidane/Garland scene is believable, but the facts clearly go the other way to me. Up until the point the screen went black, Zidane had been acting the same way he had throughout the entire game, defiant and sarcastic to the bad guys, then all of a sudden he starts asking questions.
And I just wanted to mention, Cloud got out of the lifestream when he finally "found" himself and, as MLK would say, the truth set him "free". And yes, in VIII they needed the power of love and friendship to stay together at the end, but that worked, because Laguna was a corny guy.
Finally, I just want to say that your standards for defining a child's movie/game are ungrounded. PLENTY of dark moments happen in Disney movies, Bambi's mother dies, and that was pretty damn sad.
Your kill counts are a little off, too. More people died in the Shinra building than in the entire game of FFVI. Sorry, I had to get that out.
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Remember Garland and his talk of memories? The most plausible explanation is that this encounter triggered some of those memories that lay dormant within Zidane's brain. When Zidane told the story of the person who looked for his home, that was a metaphor for himself. The opening theme tune is 'The Place I'll Return to Someday'. There is no doubt that upon arriving in Terra he would have felt some strong connection - something which he knew he could not deny. That caused confusion in his mind as well as the grim realisation that Garland was being truthful. It was a true revelation - the home he was looking for all this time was Terra. And he didnt like what he heard about it and himself. The build up to that sudden transformation in character started early. I would say it started at the Black Mage Village when Zidane first talks about his quest to find where he belonged.Also, I can understand how you might think Zidane/Garland scene is believable, but the facts clearly go the other way to me. Up until the point the screen went black, Zidane had been acting the same way he had throughout the entire game, defiant and sarcastic to the bad guys, then all of a sudden he starts asking questions.
Good point. I remember having nightmares about Bambi's mother dying. Nevertheless, it would be extremely difficult to argue that Bambi deals with issues that are anywhere as complex as FFIX. Hell, I would say that FFIX is the most mature Final Fantasy that I have played, thematically. Save perhaps FFXII.Finally, I just want to say that your standards for defining a child's movie/game are ungrounded. PLENTY of dark moments happen in Disney movies, Bambi's mother dies, and that was pretty damn sad.
I haven't played FFVIII enough to really argue this. My memory of this was poor. All that seemed to happen was that one minute Squall didnt give a damn about her, and the next he was head over heels in love. Rinoa also pissed me off from the start with possibly the worst opening line ever.First off, the argument can go either way about the two games, but the loves story was featured prominently in both. I'm not going to try to put up an argument about VIII's, but I will say that the game makes it clear from the very beginning that Squall is a character who says one thing but thinks another.
While I wouldnt really go with his arguments so much. It is true that people are shallow when being prejudiced agains FFIX. Prejudices against the art style, the tail, the setting etc were very common and extraordinarily stupid.This is an attempt to explain why people cannot possibly have a different opinion than you do for legitimate reasons. The inability to relate to different people and perspectives is a clear indicator of underdevelopment as a human being.
FFVII also had the advantage of a massive advertising campaign, being the first 3D final fantasy and being the first Final Fantasy for a brand new generation of gamers. It is a widely held theory that people's favourite Final Fantasy tends to be their first one.
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The whole Alexandrian army are women! whats up with that!
Not being sexist- just wondering where the men are lol
^The men are under the command of Adelbert Steiner! A well equipped, organised and powerful army, the Knights of Pluto are truly a force to be reckoned with!
The fact that they are slightly outnumbered is of no consequence because each one of them could take on five other women soldiers at least.
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I thought the knights of pluto were just in charge of the protection of the royal family? we never see them in Cerlya or anything :S^The men are under the command of Adelbert Steiner! A well equipped, organised and powerful army, the Knights of Pluto are truly a force to be reckoned with!
The fact that they are slightly outnumbered is of no consequence because each one of them could take on five other women soldiers at least.
^Well protection bassically means they do what Brahne tells them to do. If protection involves fighting wars then they would do that. They are not bodyguards or anything. The reason you dont see them in Cleyra was because they were disbanded when Steiner, the Captain, left. Beatrix and her knights took over full mantle of doing what the Queen wanted.
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