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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivisteiner View Post
    ^Aah, but thats being typical.
    How about, the implicit understanding of the majority of Western society, whose history is quite intertwined with Christianity?


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    ^I do not think that the meaning of the term God should reach the stage in Western societies where it is meant to assume the Judeo-Christian one only and not any of the others. Thats not just close-minded, its arrogant. People should talk about God as an encompassing hypthothesis that encompasses the Judeo-Christian God as well as many other Gods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivisteiner View Post
    ^I do not think that the meaning of the term God should reach the stage in Western societies where it is meant to assume the Judeo-Christian one only and not any of the others. Thats not just close-minded, its arrogant. People should talk about God as an encompassing hypthothesis that encompasses the Judeo-Christian God as well as many other Gods.
    Yes and no. I say yes, for I see your point, yet I mostly lean towards no. It has been the convention when translating the Bible into English that God is written with a capital "G". There is no denying the influence that Christianity has had on Western society (and vice-versa); it is an irrevocable part of Western history. It is not a rule that "God" can only mean the Judeo-Christian, rather it is what is normally being referred to. As I said before, in translations of Sanskrit texts, the word Brahman is often translated as "God". Plus if you look at other religious traditions and their focus of worship, the nomenclature is completely different. Often with Islam, we use Allah, though God is equally acceptable. In Taoism, the focus is moved to the Dao. Shinto, various kami's who have their own name are used. Hinduism, with the exception of Brahman and its translation, usually the name of the deities are used. Buddhism, while not focused on worshipping gods (devas), when referring to specific buddhas, Buddha is often capitalized. Other traditions have "actual names", as it were, for the focus of their worship, thus following English grammar, is spelt with a capital letter like a proper name should be. In Christianity, "God" just so happens to be the name we use for the Judeo-Christian idea of divine, thus we follow the grammatical protocols and capitalize it. So it is neither arrogance or narrow-mindedness, rather following convention and the grammatical structure of the language. God is a proper name; god is a noun referring to the concept of divinity (usually in a masculine or gender neutral sense).


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    God would smite Jesus with level over nine thousand smite.

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    Look at it this way....


    This thread is entirely opinion. No proof. I seriously doubt that anyone here is going to change their opinion based off of something another member posts...especially when calling them infidels.

    It takes faith. One person can look at the universe and call it creation - someone else can see the same things and say 'How lucky am I to think, breathe and feel...I'm little more than stardust. 3=

    If you've never read the bible/Koran, etc. and claim 'there is no God' to me, you're little more than a parrot squacking a phrase you've heard 1,001 times. I; however, have difficulty believing that because of the life experiences of dozens of people I've seen transformed because of their faith.

    John 5:18-20 - For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

    Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these.

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    A serious post in the general chat section? I never thought I'd see the day!


    Oh and Jesus would obviously win. He'd bust a few moves on God's ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vivisteiner View Post
    ^I do not think that the meaning of the term God should reach the stage in Western societies where it is meant to assume the Judeo-Christian one only and not any of the others. Thats not just close-minded, its arrogant. People should talk about God as an encompassing hypthothesis that encompasses the Judeo-Christian God as well as many other Gods.
    Yes and no. I say yes, for I see your point, yet I mostly lean towards no. It has been the convention when translating the Bible into English that God is written with a capital "G". There is no denying the influence that Christianity has had on Western society (and vice-versa); it is an irrevocable part of Western history. It is not a rule that "God" can only mean the Judeo-Christian, rather it is what is normally being referred to. As I said before, in translations of Sanskrit texts, the word Brahman is often translated as "God". Plus if you look at other religious traditions and their focus of worship, the nomenclature is completely different. Often with Islam, we use Allah, though God is equally acceptable. In Taoism, the focus is moved to the Dao. Shinto, various kami's who have their own name are used. Hinduism, with the exception of Brahman and its translation, usually the name of the deities are used. Buddhism, while not focused on worshipping gods (devas), when referring to specific buddhas, Buddha is often capitalized. Other traditions have "actual names", as it were, for the focus of their worship, thus following English grammar, is spelt with a capital letter like a proper name should be. In Christianity, "God" just so happens to be the name we use for the Judeo-Christian idea of divine, thus we follow the grammatical protocols and capitalize it. So it is neither arrogance or narrow-mindedness, rather following convention and the grammatical structure of the language. God is a proper name; god is a noun referring to the concept of divinity (usually in a masculine or gender neutral sense).
    Aaah, I never really realised the distinction between 'God' and 'god.' Thats a point. Nevertheless, God shouldnt still purely refer to the Judeo-Christian one, although I can accept the assumptions made.

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    Just by reading this page you can see the different Gods there are.

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