Okay to be gay in California

[Psychotic]

Ok folks let's keep it civil. I don't want any EoEO leakage into my precious General Chat if it's all the same to you! Next person to be insulting gets their skull metaphorically cracked.

[Momiji]

There's a difference between 'insults' and 'heated discussion', Paul. <3

[Psychotic]

There sure is, Justin! And which category does "idiot" fall under? (I didn't see a problem with your post, fyi)

[Momiji]

Ooh~ I see an undirected insult there.

Metaphorical skull-cracking time?

[Psychotic]

No you gosh darned don't. I was giving an example of a word in this thread that I deem inappropriate and wouldn't like to see used in such a way again.

Now can we get back to talking about gay marriage and how America feels the desperate need to call itself CONSERVATIVE or LIBERAL and then take great big dumps on the other side 'cause they've got to be intellectually inferior and oh no we can't be having that?

Okay? OKAY!

[Yar]

WOW! Ok, well, I'm just going to reply to everyone as a whole.
About people hating Christians...
It is true. I am a Christian, and you guys are biting my head off for being so. MOST, and note that I said most, people say "Christians" not "Christian zealots". So, yea, I think that people generally hate Christians. BTW: just b/c your a conservative, does not mean you are a Christian. They do not go hand-in-hand. There just happen to be more Christians in the Republican party. And that is why I beleive people ALSO hate Republicans: b/c they have a reputation of being Christians.

Yeah well I am a Christian too. Before you question if I just go on Christmas and Easter, let me reassure you, I attend religious services three times a week.

And I am a liberal. I think that conservatism is [usually] garbage.

However, I think my religious views should affect ME, while my political views should affect OTHERS.

You know whom I see hating Christians most? Other Christians. They disregard that entire "love thy neighbor" passage.

Can't get much more hating than this either:




By the way, I don't think Jesus would do this when he was on Earth.

[Momiji]

HARDCORE CONSERVATIVE HATE COMBINED WITH ABSOLUTE TRUTH

You better change read what Paul just said and clean that post up...

[Giga Guess]

It is true. I am a Christian, and you guys are biting my head off for being so.

No, outside of a few people, most are simply pointing out flaws in your arguments.

IMOST, and note that I said most, people say "Christians" not "Christian zealots".

And MOST, yes I said most, too, say it only in respons to behavior archetypal of a zealot.

So, yea, I think that people generally hate Christians. BTW: just b/c your a conservative, does not mean you are a Christian. They do not go hand-in-hand. There just happen to be more Christians in the Republican party. And that is why I beleive people ALSO hate Republicans: b/c they have a reputation of being Christians.

Please get off the cross. We need the firewood. You pose a point of view. There are those of us who will disagree.

Also, about my beleif that liberals will ruin the country:
That is my opinion.

That's nice. I feel you're wrong. I also feel that condemning a person purely on what side of the political spectrum they stand on is juvenile at best.

Don't the liberals on here bash conservatives, saying what a crappy job they would do?

And conservative supporters have never bashed anyone...?

One major thing I think would ruin our country is free healthcare. Isn't that reminiscent of Communism? Just saying.

No, it's more closely akin to Socialism, which is, in all reality, quite far removed from Communism. One advocates making the wellbeing of it's citizens paramount. The other seeks to make it so no person can exceed another.

There are lot more, like abortion, and gay marriage, but I'll talk about that in a second.

Don't like abortions? Don't get one. Don't like gay marriage? Don't get one. Guess what? It's not right to push your dogma onto the rest of the populace in the form of law.

Liberalism...
Just b/c the country is going liberal, does that mean I have to change my beleifs?

Of course not. You're just not allowed to force others to conform to them.

Why should what they beleive have anything to do with what I believe?

It shouldn't...but that door swings both ways.

And I disagree that liberalism is the "beacon of hope". And not everything they propose gives you freedom. EX: free healthcare (stated above) means you don't get to choose your own doctor.

Huh. We have free healthcare up here in Canada. i have chosen every doctor I've seen so far.

You get whatever they give you, b/c it's FREE. And that makes it sound good.

Not having to mortgage a house to pay for cancer treatments...however could I have thought that was good?

Gay marriage...
Like DMKA said, I beleive that marriage is a holy union. It's been set down since the beginning of time that marriage would be between a man and a woman. I beleive that we should protect the holy union of marriage.

Like the "Holy" 42 hour union between Britney Spears and whatsisface? And the "Holy" unions resulting from Joe Millionaire and the Bachelor? The "Holy" unions between the gold-digging vultures, who are just waiting for their "husband" to croak to get a big fat paycheck? And the "Holy" unions those mail order brides enter into? Is this the institution we are going to be so grievously besmirching?

[DMKA]

Can't get much more hating than this either:

How is that hate? They're saying their God hates fags, not them. Also, everything on those signs are a matter of personal feeling, or fact. I don't see the problem if gay people can wave their rainbow flags and their "i love buttsex" signs around with these people flaunting their opinions and beliefs as well.

[Momiji]

Can't get much more hating than this either:

How is that hate? They're saying their God hates fags, not them. Also, everything on those signs are a matter of personal feeling, or fact. I don't see the problem if gay people can wave their rainbow flags and their "i love buttsex" signs around with these people flaunting their opinions and beliefs as well.

Yes, but the difference is, the flag-waving gay people aren't doing it to attack any other group. Those signs are clearly attacking homosexuals because of the derogatory way they are protesting (calling them 'fags' and such). In my eyes, it is no different than calling a black person the 'n' word.

[DMKA]

Can't get much more hating than this either:

How is that hate? They're saying their God hates fags, not them. Also, everything on those signs are a matter of personal feeling, or fact. I don't see the problem if gay people can wave their rainbow flags and their "i love buttsex" signs around with these people flaunting their opinions and beliefs as well.

Yes, but the difference is, the flag-waving gay people aren't doing it to attack any other group. Those signs are clearly attacking homosexuals because of the derogatory way they are protesting (calling them 'fags' and such). In my eyes, it is no different than calling a black person the 'n' word.

No, again. They are stating their religious beliefs, saying their GOD hates gay people, not them.

[Yar]

Can't get much more hating than this either:

How is that hate? They're saying their God hates fags, not them. Also, everything on those signs are a matter of personal feeling, or fact. I don't see the problem if gay people can wave their rainbow flags and their "i love buttsex" signs around with these people flaunting their opinions and beliefs as well.

I dunno, that "Thank God for AIDS" sign seems pretty hateful.

And last I checked, heterosexuals aren't immune to AIDS...

[DMKA]

Can't get much more hating than this either:

How is that hate? They're saying their God hates fags, not them. Also, everything on those signs are a matter of personal feeling, or fact. I don't see the problem if gay people can wave their rainbow flags and their "i love buttsex" signs around with these people flaunting their opinions and beliefs as well.

I dunno, that "Thank God for AIDS" sign seems pretty hateful.

And last I checked, heterosexuals aren't immune to AIDS...

Exactly. It doesn't say "Thank God for AIDS for killing FAGS". It just says "Thank God for AIDS".

[Yar]

It just says "Thank God for AIDS".

And you know why it says that? Because they are happy to see homosexuals dying from a disease because they HATE THEM.

[DMKA]

It just says "Thank God for AIDS".

And you know why it says that? Because they are happy to see homosexuals dying from a disease because they HATE THEM.

I disagree. But you're entitled to jump to that conclusion, I guess.