First Class SOLDIER vs. SeeD

[Goldenboko]

As thoses so called First-Class SOLDIERs, Sephiroth died by the hand of Cloud when Cloud was still weak and only a low-level infantry guard.
So, like, just about any warrior could beat them.

B-Garden Students repeled the G-Army's Elite even when the G-Army were 5to1 (Imagine when they're SeeDs).

SeeDs would win (Unless you're counting the pacific white SeeDs).
If you count Irvine and Rinoa as SeeDs, there's not doupt SeeDs win.

By the way, Sephiroth in the end has been boosted enormously by hojo far beyong the usual First-Class SOLDIERs
Sephiroth only has 82500hp, so that's just 1-2 Renzokuken.
B, one hit
C, Renzokuken/two hits
D, one hit
E, one hit
Safer, 2 Lion Hearts
So easy to beat them, Squall beats him alone
Could Can use Defend to avoid any nasty one hit death or powerful multiple attacks or use a GF for thoses 9999 always hit.

Finish with Lion Heart for style.

You can't use game mechanics. Using game mechanics you could argue that Yu Yevon is more powerful then any of these characters.

[ljkkjlcm9]

Ok, well the title says First Class SOLDIER vs. SeeD. If I remember correctly, in Crisis Core they explicitly say that the only first classes are Sephiroth, Angeal, Genesis, and eventually Zack.

If this is true, I think it's pretty obvious who would be victorious...
All those First Class SOLDIER... are dead...
All the top class SeeD, are alive still... so yeah

THE JACKEL

[jammi567]

If i remember correctly from the game, SeeD's have to train for years and years before they can take the SeeD exam. Even then, they might not make it.

On the other hand, SOLDIER candidates have to be mentally strong (if not physically so) in the first place to even be accepted as 3rd Class. Afterwards, they get injected with JENOVA cells and mako, which makes them even stronger then they would be normally.

This gives them an unfair advantage against the SeeD's, because the strength that they display is not natually their own.

So i would have to say in a fair fight that SeeD would win.

[champagne supernova]

I don't think you can answer this based on reason, because Sephiroth is not a normal SOLDIER, just as Squall & Co. can't be considered average SeeDs.

However, Cloud/Zack in the Nibelheim flashback scene at Kalm would be considered a normal SOLDIER, as would the First Class SOLDIERs you fight in the game. However, one does not fight any SeeDs in VIII at all (Seifer never qualified, not that he would be considered a normal SeeD anyway). So there is no basis of comparison.

SOLDIERs have Jenova cells implanted in them, making them stronger. But SeeD can use para-magic, and junction magic to up their stats. So, I think, that basically makes them roughly the same.

We also never see SOLDIER in action in the game. So, although Balamb Garden defeats the Galbadia army at the battle of the Gardens, there is nothing to compare it too (and I don't think that it was quite 5-1 against in terms of numbers), and so can't be used here either.

The one thing that SeeD does have over SOLDIER is that their troops are trained from a younger age, entering Garden in their early teens. They also are a mercenary force, and as such are constantly being used, whereas SOLDIER does not seem to have been used extensively as a military force since the War.

So, I think that SOLDIER & SeeD are very similar in terms of individual ability, but at the time of the games, SeeD would be sharper, and because they are trained from a younger age, be more equipped for battle.

Anyway, its quite hard to rationally say which one is better than the other, as some peeps are trying to do.

[Hyperion4444]

Ok, well the title says First Class SOLDIER vs. SeeD. If I remember correctly, in Crisis Core they explicitly say that the only first classes are Sephiroth, Angeal, Genesis, and eventually Zack.

If this is true, I think it's pretty obvious who would be victorious...
All those First Class SOLDIER... are dead...
All the top class SeeD, are still alive... so yeah

THE JACKAL

Yeah, that'd be winning by default.


I could argue about in-game battle mechanics, but let's not.


About FFX
Can you imagine if all SeeDs were able to break damage limit? (Quistis can)
Let's see, maximum 99999 of 21-26xhits = total victory of SeeDs

btw: Odin beats everything except Seifer.
SeeDs can be invinsible in a number of ways (Item or Rinoa's help)





Are you including Rinoa and Irvine as SeeDs?

If so, they add weight to the overall balance.

Squall & Quistis are really useful in terms of limit breaks abilities.
Selphie has The End.
Zell's Meteor Strike 1/4HP.

[jammi567]

Ok, well the title says First Class SOLDIER vs. SeeD. If I remember correctly, in Crisis Core they explicitly say that the only first classes are Sephiroth, Angeal, Genesis, and eventually Zack.

If this is true, I think it's pretty obvious who would be victorious...
All those First Class SOLDIER... are dead...
All the top class SeeD, are still alive... so yeah

THE JACKAL

Are you including Rinoa and Irvine as SeeDs?

If so, they add weight to the overall balance.

Squall & Quistis are really useful in terms of limit breaks abilities.
Selphie has The End.
Zell's Meteor Strike 1/4HP.

I would certainly include Irvine, because i thought that he was trained as a SeeD as well, just that Galbadia Garden didn't use GF's for whatever reason. I mean, he's certainly got the relevent skills and strength.

[Shadowdeathrose]

Which are also considerably weaker without their GFs modifying their strength and magic ability

Theres a flaw in what you say, One being is if you work hard enough in FFVIII you can reach the 255 strength + speed + VIT etc... by refining items and finding certain items. to refine. therefor. the GFs were not needed.

[jammi567]

Which are also considerably weaker without their GFs modifying their strength and magic ability

Theres a flaw in what you say, One being is if you work hard enough in FFVIII you can reach the 255 strength + speed + VIT etc... by refining items and finding certain items. to refine. therefor. the GFs were not needed.

There's also a flaw n your argument - you can do the same thing in VII to reach max strength, vitality etc.

[Shadowdeathrose]

I didn't argue against VII mate

[Hyperion4444]

Including Irvine is great, his Armor Piercing bullets takes out all his enemies.
Selphie's The Ends beats anything in any game, no matter what.


How/Where do you find Bonus Up in FFVII (I would like to know, really, I'd max them)

Don't forget FFVII has the Lucky 7 boost (Level 77 and 7777HP)
But they aren't SOLDIERs. One is a Turks, but no SOLDIERs.

You Think a Turk is Stronger than a First-Class SOLDIER?
I had a hard time with them in Midgar near end of disc 2.
How high level is a Turk?

[jammi567]

How/Where do you find Bonus Up in FFVII (I would like to know, really, I'd max them)

You can morph certain enemies

[Rantz]

I love how this discussion is all heated up and serious like it was of any actual importance.

[Shadowdeathrose]

Ok, well the title says First Class SOLDIER vs. SeeD. If I remember correctly, in Crisis Core they explicitly say that the only first classes are Sephiroth, Angeal, Genesis, and eventually Zack.

If this is true, I think it's pretty obvious who would be victorious...
All those First Class SOLDIER... are dead...
All the top class SeeD, are alive still... so yeah

THE JACKAL

Genesis is back at the end of dirge of cerberus...... so we have 1 first class soldier

[Hyperion4444]

How/Where do you find Bonus Up in FFVII (I would like to know, really, I'd max them)

You can morph certain enemies

You lost me on that one...

Is it one of thoses enemies abilities?


If Genesis still lives, then it's Him VS 1000s of SeeDs, including Squall, Quistis...
He could be as strong as can be, but I seriously doupt he stand a chance.
Squall has one of the best limit breaks ever.
Quistis has the most powerful GF ability.
and if that's not enought, Selphie can cast The End... or maybe even Rapture, it'd be the first time Genesis would have two wings. (just joking )

[jammi567]

How/Where do you find Bonus Up in FFVII (I would like to know, really, I'd max them)

You can morph certain enemies

You lost me on that one...

Is it one of thoses enemies abilities?

No Just use the Morth materia.