Mafia IX: Ace Edition Game Over - Mafia Victory - Town of Failure Destroyed

[[M] Apollo]

This is starting to get bad. But with 9 still to lynch this is how I see it, inactives must go. If your active we can catch you, but we've been just massacring ourselves by not gettting these inactives.

So let's start a list.
Trucy
Apollo
Edgeworth
Maya

[[M] Apollo]

I'd like to add Plum to that list.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Alright guys since I am on a sugar high I will contribute a little more than I usually do for this thread. xD

Okay, so we had a doctor, a faith healer, and two cops. We definitely do not have two role blockers on our side. What does everyone think?

I think there is a vigilante/serial killer because now the notion of two different mafia factions seems some what implausible to me now. That would explain the two deaths.

Yes, I find two roleblockers highly unlikely. See above.

Doctors and cops are important roles that are in every game. Roleblockers aren't.

I disagree with Lam (RIP Jojee <3) because I think the possibilities of two role blockers are not that far fetched. It's an equality thing, you know what I'm saying? ;D Anywayz, what puzzles me, however, is how both Ema and Will claimed to be role blockers. It is obvious (or at least it should be) that one of them is lying and are dirty scum. But which one Valant? Hold on. I'm getting there.

Remember: Lamiroir said Will came up as innocent. Just because he came up innocent does not mean he is although then again Lam was not able to investigate Ema last night so she is not in the clear yet either for me. Speaking of investigations.

Will prodded Lam to investigate them:

Alright then. Have a cop investigate us both.

Will would not have to worry about being investigated because he knew he'd come up innocent because

A. He is a the dirty skeazy scummy godfather
B. He is actually innocent which would make Ema a dirty lying scum

Judging from Lam and Jean's death last night I think Will had something to do with that because Lam and Jean were both going after Will pretty hard yesterday. Of course Jeany called out Will properly on the color thing. Pretty much every pro-town role has been green even special roles like doctors. Having a suddenly purple one rings really suspicous to me and I am not buying Will's role claim. Will's track record is also far more suspicious than Ema's who has seemed contribute much in benefit to the town. So I will give Ema the benefit of the doubt and say that she is telling the truth. And Will is a lying scum. Nice try Will. Not.

And now after that long ass post, I am now tired again. *brain hurt* :laugh:

[[M] Adama]

Good points, Val. I'll change my vote if Maya contributes more, but ONLY then.

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

We lost a cop AND a faith healer. We need to be more careful then ever since we've lost so many power roles.

We got roleblocker left, and perhaps 1 or 2 more minor ones, but we've lost our best ones (doctor and cop). I'm still split on Will and Ema as each one still seems suspicious to me. Although I think we can say it's safe if we don't vote one of them off today and continue to look into who is the real one and who is an imposter. Namely because the mafia can't kill the real one yet. If the mafia kills the true role blocker then we will know instantly who is the fake and will lynch them. Although there is a small possiblity that they are both telling the truth......but I find that chance 1% at best. It's just too convenient they both targeted Plum. However with most certainty I can say it's safe to leave them be while we scrutinize them, we don't want to lose another power role. Sooner or later the impostor will slip up.

So let's continue that discussion but I think we should go over our other suspects.

One that bothers me....Wesley. He just slipped out a role claim about being Vanilla Townie. I didn't have too high of suspicions against him before, but when he said that it bothers me greatly. In the Classic Gaming mafia, DK did the same thing and we learned he was telling the truth. However now we have a repeat of the same situation. Perhaps a mafia trying to repeat the same scenario from last game and use it to shed any suspicion. I'll continue to look over Wesley's posts to see what I can find out. But that was the big red flag for me.

Of course Jeany called out Will properly on the color thing. Pretty much every pro-town role has been green even special roles like doctors. Having a suddenly purple one rings really suspicous to me and I am not buying Will's role claim.

No, no, no, no, no NO!

Are you people listening to yourselves? Your using COLOR as a means to suspect someone. Say it out loud with me "I'm getting evidence because he used the color purple" Sounds stupid aloud don't it? Seriously now, if this is what people find suspicious and are spending time worrying about it's no wonder we're losing. Please spend your time finding real evidence.

I'll post more in a bit but my brain hurts now so I'll just go read over some posts and what have you.

I approve!

[[M] Adama]

I thought the color thing was extremely silly too, but it could be a point. If the two who claimed roleblocker each said a different color, it could be the difference between the liar and the one telling the truth. The only problem is, we have NO way of being able to tell what the true color is. Since all roles so far have been green, as someone mentioned, I'd have to say that green is the real color...BUT WE DON'T KNOW.

It bothers me :sad:

[[M] Adama]

all town roles so far have been green, that is.

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

I really can't see using color as a means to suspect someone. I mean if I honestly had said I was a Cop and someone later claims they were the Cop You would honestly find me more suspicious because I used the color used in all past games? While this game has used nothing but green and I would presume red.

It's a stupid basis, we should look at more of what each person posts.

For starters a simple quote search....Will - 30, Ema - 13 Posts. Ms. Ema is a bit inactive eh?

Looking over her posts she really screams scum to me. Since claiming she has made 2 posts (excluding her one post to just vote Will). Lying low perhaps while everyone seemed to focus more on Will.

I'm pretty sure Jean is not scum. Secondly, what? Attack inactives when they start doing something? That's point of going after inactives: they're not doing anything.

Same thing. I think Jean is a good guy and inactives should be persecuted.

Good idea. Join the side of someone a scum would know is innocent and many of the town is looking at as an intelligent person to help lead the town. The last part bothers me though, you even claimed inactivity was bad and yet YOU yourself are inactive. That's a bit controversial. Wouldn't you agree?

I might be biased though because she tried to make me appear scummy for voting off Mia the first day as opposed to the guy claiming to be a cop. But even so in her argument she was weak to bring any real suspicion against me. Of course her argument was just one of many in a long post adding suspects, but even so I can't help but ponder what she was getting at as I don't understand her logic on suspecting me with what she tried to use. But I'll leave that for you to ponder over.

I'll leave my evaluation of Ema at the moment since this is a big post. I'll be posting my things against Will in a bit.

[[M] Apollo]

I agree that color can't be taken into affect. I'd put my roleclaim in the proper color just because I like to

I think Ema should go, I think she was trying to get us to off Will. She's been inactive till her claim anyway.

##Vote: Ema

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

Part of me really really wants to use the color because that's something like the real Phoenix would do, but the smarter part of me says that's dumb xD

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

Edgey has a good point. I missed a day phase and a half and I still managed to get in over 50 posts...13 is pretty low for someone wanting to persecute inactives...


This is tough >.<

I'm sticking with Will for now, though.

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Now for Will.

Will first claimed to be a role blocker and wasn't under any scrutiny, in fact he did it to support his reason for voting Plum. To me this sounds like a terrible mafia ploy, so with that in mind I learn more towards him being town in that notion. In addition the confirmed Cop investigated him and got innocent. Meaning he is either telling the truth or is the Godfather.

The Godfather putting himself out in this kind of position is highly unlikely.

Why would such a powerful Mafia role stick his neck out like this, when there really isn't a need?

He would have to have some kind of contingency plan to keep himself safe, and banking on a Cop having investigated him is a horribly flimsly plan if you ask me.

Bikini makes a good point here. If Will is the Godfather why put on such a huge risk on one of the strongest roles the mafia has? With that in mind the idea of Will being innocent seems much more plausible to me. Because other wise that means the mafia had their Godfather step out and roleclaim when he wasn't up for a lynching or heavy suspicion. The plan is too insane and hard to pull off I believe for any mafia without some really good back up.

The only things bugging me about Will however are as follows.

I think the roleblocker got the right person and we either have some bulletproofs or we have more protective roles.

He's either scum trying to set up for the role claim or telling the truth trying to hint at a role blocker. Personally I think a set up sounds more plausible. Psy does it all the time as mafia.

Alright then. Have a cop investigate us both.

Cop, please investigate godot tonight.

Here he started to get real suspicious sounding. Almost as if he's trying to fish the cop out.

I would suggest that you roleclaim now godot. It might save you.

Again fishing. Although in his defense at this point it seemed like Godot would die anyways, so mafia trying to fish for info on an already dead guy would be rather stupid.

However despite that I still think Will has more credibility at the moment then Ema.

[[M] Apollo]

Right now, I'm in a toss up for voting against Ema, or Plum. Plum because of inactivity, Ema for inactivity and scumminess. My main fear is if Ema is a Roleblocker it would be bad to lose her.

[[M] Colette]

Oh boy, this ain't good. 3 townies dead, 2 pro-town powerroles. 0_o

With 2 mafia clans.. yeah, we're screwed.

Might as well hold out until the end, problem is that about 50% of the people posting now would statistically be mafia. Who to trust?

Will and Ema definitely on the block now though.

[[M] Helo]

What is it now, a coin flip situation between Will and Ema to determine which of them is telling the truth? And a suspicion of Plum, and all other inactives because they can get away with being inactive and not being killed?

I don't know what to think anymore. My last two top suspects (Godot and Luke) turned out innocent. My scholarly instincts have failed me. We're down 9 Townies, a number of whom we thought were scum (and one who was insane, probably our only useful lynch).

Here's what I think. Plum Kitaki is a Serial Killer, or some variant that keeps killing off Townies. Ema Skye, Damon Gant, and Furio Tigre are scum. This depends on me believing Will Powers and not Ema. Gant raised suspicion when his new player came in and said "oh don't suspect me guize the other guy played scummily". And Furio? He's had a scum vibe around him for a while.

Then again, I could be very very wrong. I'm going with my gut here. However, I still like the idea of voting off inactives. Ema Skye has been rather inactive, as evidenced by the post count in comparison to Will Powers.

The last two times I trusted my gut, I was wrong, despite all the evidence pointing to Godot and Luke Atmey. However, the evidence against Godot was Director Hotti's innocence claim, and the fact that he posted his roleclaim of doctor in green as opposed to yellow, and a few missteps while under interrogation. And Luke wasn't doing as much as he probably could have to help the town, and that was for newbie reasons. Why should I trust my gut? There's a bit more conclusive evidence on Ema, or so I think. I'm going to vote for Ema here, but then I'm going to go check past votecounts to see who voted for confirmed innocents (not like there'll be that much to help us there, as everyone has been confirmed innocent so far). We're idiots! Let's get out of this slump, Town!

##Vote: Ema Skye

EDIT: Edited "going with my gut" to italics for emphasis.