All she ever does is get captured or sick. He should have learned more white magic and kicked her to the curb. Then Yang can come back and be awesome with the party in the final dungeon(non-remake), like it should be.
What does Cecil see in Rosa?
All she ever does is get captured or sick. He should have learned more white magic and kicked her to the curb. Then Yang can come back and be awesome with the party in the final dungeon(non-remake), like it should be.
Sigh.Originally Posted by Flying Mullet
Cecil sees in Rosa what Rosa sees in him. They are both inlove. When a person is inlove no matter what their looks are, they just act like eachother is an attractive person.
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Mulley. You don't just understand love do you? =P
Heck I would love for my women to get captured every now and then, nothings hotter then a damsel in distress. Besides Rosa was hot, not nearly as hot as Rydia, but by the time Rydia came back all grown up Cecil was already kinda stuck with Rosa. So Edge got luck and managed to sneak in and pick up Rydia.
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Having a dedicated healer is very important in this game. I wouldn't want to have to split Cecil's duties between offense and restoration.
What does Mario see in Peach?
Link with Zelda?
The love interest with damsels of distress are a pretty hot thing, if you look at late 80s-early 90s in video games.
Plus, her white wardrobe probably accentuated some very nice things for Cecil as well.
Zelda isn't Link's love interest.
Cecil just wants *****, man. He's 20. He's in his prime. Rose is all about a man who is in his prime. Like this dude:
A love interest is a love interest. My girlfriend annoys the crap out of me sometimes, but I am not going to dump her if she gets in trouble.
Cecil sees that he's supposed to like her based on the script.
Really their relationship was never key to the game, or meant to be. It served more of a purpose for Kain and Cecil's relationship than anything else. The fact that it was underdeveloped really wasn't a hindrance to the story, unlike others where the whole game was centered around underdeveloped love stories *cough*FF8*cough*.
its all about the sex
Hello! At least this time, I'm around for it. Though by now I honestly don't think anything I say will matter, because most people are dead set on seeing Rosa as worthless. I at least feel better actually showing that while most people don't care, at least I do. Bear in mind, I'm a Rosa fan, and defending her as a character is at the heart of defending her in terms of her relationship to Cecil, ESPECIALLY after the way you framed her (which is, really, how everyone frames her these days).
I'll link you to this first.
Translation of Final Fantasy IV Documents on Settings Book/Settei Shiryou Shuu/Compendium/What Have You
Firstly, Rosa and Cecil have known each other since they were children. Their ties have built up over all those years. This is the most obvious reason. And as you can see in Rosa's profile, she's highly sought, yet her love has always been for Cecil.
I now have to go into the events of the game because you don't get to see much of what happened before.
The opening, with Rosa coming to his room, the things she says, implies that she's been one of the influences to keep him from fully succumbing to his dark side. She's obviously not the WHOLE reason, that would be absurd to say, but it's one of the reasons. She's a reminder of who he was in a way Kain cannot be. Kain is another hardened warrior; Rosa is a nurturing healer.
My next one, which people LOVE to disregard: the gaps. The most important gap of all is the time between Cecil leaving Baron and Rosa showing up in Kaipo. Notice she arrives alone. Notice she would've had to travel across land, mountain and desert to reach Kaipo, and out of all of that, the worst she has is Desert Fever, an illness anyone could have contracted through prolonged exposure to the desert heat. She does this because she loves him so deeply that she wants to make sure he's okay, and she wants to be by his side to ensure it. She isn't one of those wussy types that hides back home worrying herself to death when she knows she could actually be on the front lines beside him, despite the risk. That's how much she loves him, willing to risk her life to make sure he's fine. Though yes, I know most people would prefer she didn't exist at all, her contracting the fever isn't as bad as some people suggest.
The second thing I have to mention is her abduction in Fabul. Sure, she got abducted. And guess what? It happened right in front of Cecil. How is a white mage supposed to fight back when a martial artist and a dark knight can't? This is a bit skewed because the new version of the scene just has Golbez abduct her without her catching on to it happening until it's too late, but the point still stands: there's nothing she could've done. More importantly, if she HAD been able to and HAD done something reckless, that could've easily led to Kain or Golbez simply killing them all off. Which leads me to... how she stops Kain from killing Cecil in the first place. She was on duty healing soldiers. It's apparent that in the gaps somewhere, she learned that the monsters had reached the crystal chamber, and she rushed back there to try and help him. Again, the depths of her love on display. When she's needed, she'll be there with her healing magic if it's at all in her power.
Third, and people love to overlook this: Mt. Hobs. Sure, they remember Rydia got over her fear of fire and melted the ice. But they forget that it was primarily Rosa, with a few lines from Edward, that Rydia got up the strength to break past that fear and open the way. You can't do it without Rosa, she's the key. This alludes to a gentle, kind, nurturing spirit that you don't get to see much over the course of the game, sadly. Yet, it's there, if you bother to look.
Now, I've talked about in-game. Here's outside the game.
Outside the game, in the real world, Rosa was the start of what we have now come to see as the "white mage stereotype." The kind, loving, soothing, nurturing woman. She's also the lead female, and like other lead females, she needs to be helped. There are two things here I need to address.
The first, the "white mage stereotype." I don't know which game you started with, and I'm speaking on general terms. Most people started with FF7. This was their introduction to white mages, through Aeris. They then played 8, 9, and 10, and each one had a lead female/white mage type. So here's the problem. After playing these games, the player then goes BACK to playing FF4, the game where it all started... back when all the details weren't fleshed out to the point where you could accept those traits as gimmes and go on to the other traits that the character has. So how does Rosa look in comparison? "Generic." There isn't much emphasis on her noble background, because there's greater emphasis on her loving white mage traits, ones people know to a T today. People are essentially giving Rosa bad marks for having the nerve to be the first one, but not the popular one.
The second, the "damsel-in-distress." Have you bothered to think her through objectively, next to the other leading ladies you have to help? Rosa only needs your help twice throughout the entire game. Aeris needs your help at LEAST twice, if not more time. Garnet has at least three problems (plant monsters, something I can't remember where she ended up having her eidolons taken, and the loss of her voice). Yuna needs help at least three times, thanks to abductions. And, of course, Rinoa. She's not any bit worse than any of the others, it's just that the game isn't as expansive in its script, so Rosa doesn't get a chance to show off her other traits in as outspoken a manner as the other girls.
This is practically a book now, so you probably won't read it, but it's everything I can think of to say right now. There's a lot more to Rosa than you and most anyone else gives her credit for, you just have to look. Will you? Probably not, nobody ever does. I still feel better defending her than letting it run rampant.
Yep. *PaladinCecil* pretty much covers it, Rosa not being as much a damsel in distress as people claim her to be but having them disregard the times where she was strong. Especially when she helps Rydia overcome her fear of fire and when she stops Edge from killing Kain after destroying the Giant of Bab-il.
If you're still not convinced read this thread.
She stopped Edge from killing Kain? I don't remember that. Maybe it's been too long since I played that far into the game.
And sorry if I sound crazed in some of my posts, I'll try to tone that down... I've just been getting highly frustrated from other places.
Well, I'm not sure if Edge was going to kill Kain but he was quite mad at him and still thought of Kain as a traitor after the Giant of Bab-il was destroyed and they discussed if they should forgive Kain in the Lunar Whale. Even though Rosa probably didn't stop Edge from killing Kain she at least convinced Edge to let Kain fight alongside them and make Edge realize that the evils he commited weren't his fault since he was controlled by Golbez who was controlled by Zemus.
Also, I totally understand your frustration since that happens here on EoFF quite a bit. Even if it's just a game biasedness is always quite irritating no matter what it's about.
I can't help but think this thread was made for the sole purpose of riling the Paladin up. XD
Mullet, Rosa is useful as a healer, we need to ditch Edge and get Yang back cause Edge does crap for damage and gets killed if a monster sneezes on him...
I don't mind Rosa, there are far more annoying main heroines that need constant rescuing or has this bad idea of walking straight into danger and dragging the party along *cough Yuna cough Garnet cough* She might have started the idea but she's nowhere near as bad as the doormat and the prissy princess...
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