Final Fantasy XIII Petition!

[Vyk]

I fail to see the problem. Its not like they're leaving Sony. And what's this about loyal fans? Are you loyal to Square, or Sony? Its still Square. I fail to see a problem here. So I see absolutely no point in this petition. You're not losing anything at all. Merely 360 owners are gaining something. As I'm an ex- Square fan. And I only own a 360. This works for me. Its not like just because someone supports Microsoft they're not part of your group. Sony =//= Square. This is a loss for Sony alone. Not Square. And not Square's fans. And if you bought a system simply because of one game and you're mad you paid more for it. Well then you have other issues to worry about. I bought the 360 because it had dozens of games I was interested in, while the PS3 only had FFXIII and Drake that I was interested in. Not enough to warrant a half a grand purchase

[Dreddz]

Microsoft are the type of people who would pay extra for it to appear on one dual layered disc instead of several so they wont have to accept their console is inferior to the PS3. So yeah, expect FFXIII to be delayed and compromised because of the 360.

I fail to see the problem.

Oh believe me, there are lots. You just have to own a PS3 to know them.

[Vyk]

Okay how is making it for the 360 taking away from any artistic value it may or may not have had?

I don't think you guys are coming from the right angle here. This just a bunch of console favoritism and elitism. Not valid points. If it wasn't so blatantly biased I might give the complaints more value. As it stands, nothing's really being gained by whining and moaning. Make a valid point so I can understand :[

So far, possible delays is the only thing I can understand. But there was never a release date set, so that's purely speculation. And God knows Square would find a dozen reasons to delay it in the end regardless. And being mad about not having any notice. Uh the game's got no release date yet. So how long do we have until its released? There's your heads-up. THIS is their notice. Maybe?

*Confused*

[Yar]

Microsoft are the type of people who would pay extra for it to appear on one dual layered disc instead of several so they wont have to accept their console is inferior to the PS3. So yeah, expect FFXIII to be delayed and compromised because of the 360.

That's a shame that someone's willing to give a product quality rather than rushing it to market...

I fail to see the problem.

Oh believe me, there are lots. You just have to own a PS3 to know them.

Your argument is lost on me, because all it consists of is "PS3 is better just take my word for it." Is there a special list of problems that comes with a PS3 when you buy it, or what?

[Dreddz]

Okay how is making it for the 360 taking away from any artistic value it may or may not have had?

I don't think you guys are coming from the right angle here. This just a bunch of console favoritism and elitism. Not valid points. If it wasn't so blatantly biased I might give the complaints more value. As it stands, nothing's really being gained by whining and moaning. Make a valid point so I can understand :[

Artistically and graphically the game still looks great. But a game, which was obviously going in a very cinematic direction would benefit from the PS3 as developers can have as much freedom as they want to cram as much content into the game as possible. Its fair to say that the game could come out the same even if it was exclusive to PS3 but we'll never know, and right there is the problem. We'll never see what Square could be capable of doing on the PS3 with Final Fantasy. We can debate about which console is graphically better but the PS3 never seems to gets its chance to truly shine. When you play a game like MGS4 you can really appreciate what the PS3 is capable of but it seems like MGS4 will be the only game to ever do that.

The problems arent just from it being compromised for the 360. Microsoft are ruining the industry by stealing exclusives from other consoles. Wouldn't it be more exciting if they got hold of a new IP to rival FFXIII. Trying to outdo the competition benefits us gamers more than just stealing it.

[Yar]

This is hard to do with two thread sharing one topic (or at least one true thread and a derailed thread)
Final Fantasy exclusivity clarified at Square Enix conference - PS3 Fanboy

So, apparently XIII won't be for Xbox in Japan. Can this render the "longer wait" argument invalid?

[Vyk]

I'm going to take a different angle here and see if I can work some reason out of a different pore

I've yet to read or see anything saying Microsoft paid Square huge amounts of money to sway them. But for the sake of argument we'll say that happened. Why then is the blame solely on Microsoft for this change. Square accepted the offer and made the decision. Its not like like Microsoft blackmailed them into it

And ...you admit the game may turn out the same regardless of exclusivity or not. Which is true. But you turn around and say that we'll never know, and that's somehow a problem. I don't see how ignorance of something that itself is unknown or possibly even invalid, clarifies a real problem

[Dreddz]

I've yet to read or see anything saying Microsoft paid Square huge amounts of money to sway them. But for the sake of argument we'll say that happened. Why then is the blame solely on Microsoft for this change. Square accepted the offer and made the decision. Its not like like Microsoft blackmailed them into it

And ...you admit the game may turn out the same regardless of exclusivity or not. Which is true. But you turn around and say that we'll never know, and that's somehow a problem. I don't see how ignorance of something that itself is unknown or possibly even invalid, clarifies a real problem

Oh believe me, Square is as much to blame for this as Microsoft, I just don't expect much from them. I'm more disappointed in Sony for not doing anything about this. Its not like Sony wouldn't be able to match Microsoft's offer.

And I think companies stopping other companies from at least having their console have a chance of reaching its full potential is a problem. Its sad to think that years from now people will be laughing at Sony at their claims for the PS3 but not realize that maybe Sony was right all along, they just got held back by Microsoft.

[Vyk]

I can't feel sorry for Sony because that's exactly what they did to Sega. I mean I get your point, but from my perspective this is just karma. If this becomes the disaster scenario everyone's scared that it will. Then I feel sorry for the people who bought a PS3. Not the maker of the PS3

And I still fail to see how this makes Square disloyal to their fans :[

I'm somewhat of a Square fan. Not nearly as much as most people. But I'm not a big Sony fan. I gave up hating them though. I know it doesn't sound like I have. But I owned a PS2 and enjoyed it. Had Square moved to XBox back then, which I didn't own until it was almost dead, I wouldn't have faulted them for that either

Its a stupid move from a Japanese standpoint. Since XBox is hated in Japan. But from a business stand-point I don't see a problem. And like I said I can't see any loyalty issues here. This way they can rake up the fans they lost due to Sony's huge price tags

[Dreddz]

What Sony did to Sega isn't the same as what Microsoft is doing to Sony. Sony pushed Sega out of the console race because they did a good job of telling people not to buy a Dreamcast and buy a PS2 instead. Which at the time is quite remarkable because all Sony had was SSX while Sega had dozens of great titles. In my opinion is was karma on Sega's part after they openly attacked the PS1 in commercials for the Saturn.

[Yar]

Final Fantasy XIII going multi-platform isn't going to bankrupt Sony. If they seriously are relying on XIII to be their savior they need to reconsider their business plan.

XIII will still be PS3 exclusive in Japan, where I'm sure it will do well.

I doubt any karma is involved. It's business.

[Bahamut2000X]

Square-Enix would barely listen to paying customers, let alone some whiny intertards with their crappy petition.

Agreed.

Oh and the petition made me laugh. So it's on another system....sooooo...what? Your pissy you bought a PS3 for FFXIII instead of that Wii you really wanted and so because you were impatient your gonna make a petition and think it means something? Haha comedy gold.

Really there's bigger issues with the series then being released on more systems so more people can play the game (btw they didn't bitch when FF XI came out on 360, so why are they bitching now 2 games later?). They say FF loses it's roots for being on more systems, I say the game lost it's roots when it strayed from being a fantasy and a bloody sci-fi action scroller intent on ripping off their own characters and showing flashy special effects rather then a solid story or characters.

Really as I see it releasing on a new system is the least of SE's concerns.

[Wolf Kanno]

I completely agree Bahamut...

This is karma, cause Sony was pretty damn arrogant before PS3 was released and was sure that they would succeed because the PS2 did so well. If Sony can't hold onto their exclusives, its their own damn fault. SE made a good business decision cause honestly, PS3 trailing behind both the Wii and 360... it was better to spread the love and make some money than hope their ailing franchise could live up to its reputation as a system seller. Its not like they completely jumped ship so I can't fathom the complaining.

Besides, after some of the interviews with Kojima concerning the PS3 capabilities, I'm curious if the PS3 is as far ahead technically as Sony made people believe it was. Kojima has openly criticized the shortcomings of the system. We're talking Kojima here, the man who made the PS2 jump up and beg when everyone was saying the system had been completely tapped. Considering SE's tech team is not far behind his, I'm certain they will have problems as well. To be honest, I never felt XIII looked like something the 360 couldn't pull off as well so this doesn't come as a surprise.

[JKTrix]

Thread by me from March '07: http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fan...iscussion.html

This has been brewing for quite some time.

I'll have more thoughts later today on why this isn't as bad as some people think it is, at least when it comes to 'dumbing down the experience'. It all has to do with the Crystal Tools.

[Karellen]

Microsoft are the type of people who would pay extra for it to appear on one dual layered disc instead of several so they wont have to accept their console is inferior to the PS3. So yeah, expect FFXIII to be delayed and compromised because of the 360.

Sensationalism is awesome.