Wrath of the Lich King.

[Bunny]

So now you want to debate? Make up your mind.

[Khaotic]

So now you want to debate? Make up your mind.

That's what I thought.

[Bunny]

So now you want to debate? Make up your mind.

That's what I thought. :p

Please, for the sake of your own sanity, stop thinking. I fear it may be doing irreversible damage to your cerebral cortex. Yes, that was another personal attack made by yours truly. But now I'll go ahead and argue your "facts", since you obviously want to do that now.

Why do you insist on debating this when I clearly just told you I don't care, and that the game isn't balanced around level 70? THEY ARE OP RIGHT NOW. Why? Because we're not 80. Come on, man, this isn't hard to figure out.

Guess what? They have already been nerfed, did you know that? Also, according to GC, he agrees with everyone else. I really hope you've played beta seeing how you talk about alot of stuff like you know precisely what you're talking about.

WotLK Beta (US-English) Forums -> ZOMG RET!

Now will you stop it?

This post does not contain facts. It contains an opinion. Fact does not equal opinion, they are, actually, two different things. Shocking, I know. The character classes, at level 70, are not currently OP. Every class can defeat every other class as long as the player has some comprehensive knowledge about what he is doing and what he needs to do in regards to killing the player he is up against. This is not a definition of being overpowered.

Something that has not been released officially cannot be "nerfed". It can be altered, plain and simple. Beta was created for one reason: to get an understanding on what needs to be fixed prior to a final release being issued. Since the expansion, to my knowledge, hasn't been released yet, it cannot receive a nerf.

I do not see where Ghostcrawler agrees with everyone, but I am not going to waste time wading through 9 pages of content just to debate with someone that previously made it known that he had no intention of carrying on said debate. In his initial post, he states that the "team" does not think ret paladins are suffering from any intensely overwhelming issues in terms of PvE or PvP damage output and that the damage upfront may be a problem that they are taking into consideration. He also goes on to state that some changes will probably occur, but as we all know, probably is not a definite answer.

Also, so you know, I do not play the Beta. I have no intention of playing the beta and I doubt I will ever play World of Warcraft again. I do, however, continue to look up things that are being released about it, just in case something sparks my interest enough to venture back into the game.

There, you got your wish-slash-non-wish. Are you happy or unhappy about getting your way?

[Khaotic]

So now you want to debate? Make up your mind.

That's what I thought.

Please, for the sake of your own sanity, stop thinking. I fear it may be doing irreversible damage to your cerebral cortex. Yes, that was another personal attack made by yours truly. But now I'll go ahead and argue your "facts", since you obviously want to do that now.

Why do you insist on debating this when I clearly just told you I don't care, and that the game isn't balanced around level 70? THEY ARE OP RIGHT NOW. Why? Because we're not 80. Come on, man, this isn't hard to figure out.

Guess what? They have already been nerfed, did you know that? Also, according to GC, he agrees with everyone else. I really hope you've played beta seeing how you talk about alot of stuff like you know precisely what you're talking about.

WotLK Beta (US-English) Forums -> ZOMG RET!

Now will you stop it?

This post does not contain facts. It contains an opinion. Fact does not equal opinion, they are, actually, two different things. Shocking, I know. The character classes, at level 70, are not currently OP. Every class can defeat every other class as long as the player has some comprehensive knowledge about what he is doing and what he needs to do in regards to killing the player he is up against. This is not a definition of being overpowered.

Something that has not been released officially cannot be "nerfed". It can be altered, plain and simple. Beta was created for one reason: to get an understanding on what needs to be fixed prior to a final release being issued. Since the expansion, to my knowledge, hasn't been released yet, it cannot receive a nerf.

I do not see where Ghostcrawler agrees with everyone, but I am not going to waste time wading through 9 pages of content just to debate with someone that previously made it known that he had no intention of carrying on said debate. In his initial post, he states that the "team" does not think ret paladins are suffering from any intensely overwhelming issues in terms of PvE or PvP damage output and that the damage upfront may be a problem that they are taking into consideration. He also goes on to state that some changes will probably occur, but as we all know, probably is not a definite answer.

Also, so you know, I do not play the Beta. I have no intention of playing the beta and I doubt I will ever play World of Warcraft again. I do, however, continue to look up things that are being released about it, just in case something sparks my interest enough to venture back into the game.

There, you got your wish-slash-non-wish. Are you happy or unhappy about getting your way?

The point of insulting me was? It simply makes you look bad and has no effect on me.

All I need to say to those paragraphs is this: Divine storm is no longer holy damage, hot-fixed within 48 hours on LIVE servers.


Thank you.

[Bunny]

Makes me look bad to who? My millions of fans watching this 'debate' occur? Me insulting you has only one effect one me: it makes me laugh.

How exactly does that one sentence counteract all of my arguments? Since I'm not in game, maybe you can link me some information on this hotfix of yours? Both wowhead and wowwiki show it still doing holy damage. MMO-Champion shows similar results.

[Khaotic]

Makes me look bad to who? My millions of fans watching this 'debate' occur? Me insulting you has only one effect one me: it makes me laugh.

How exactly does that one sentence counteract all of my arguments? Since I'm not in game, maybe you can link me some information on this hotfix of yours? Both wowhead and wowwiki show it still doing holy damage. MMO-Champion shows similar results.

So.. let me get this right, you're laughing at your own jokes..? Um, okay. :rolleyes2

WotLK Beta (US-English) Forums -> Oh...hey...nice nerf hotfix without warning

There. Now that I've given you proof, twice, that they're nerfed, there is no longer a reason to reply to you in this post unless it's about another matter.

[Freya]

Oh wow you two. I was just saying it they were slightly OP now. I was OP when TBC came out. They'll fix it :/ Seppuku stop fishing for a fight. Bunny ignore him. Sep... STOP FISHING FOR A FIGHT bunny would eat you.

BACK TO NEW STUFF!

The demon form is cute for locks :3

[Khaotic]

Oh wow you two. I was just saying it they were slightly OP now. I was OP when TBC came out. They'll fix it :/ Seppuku stop fishing for a fight. Bunny ignore him. Sep... STOP FISHING FOR A FIGHT bunny would eat you.

BACK TO NEW STUFF!

The demon form is cute for locks :3

Yes, yes, that always helps end flamewars. Try reading the argument before going all biased and sticking up from what appears to be a friend.

Wait... you, oh dear. That.. one. Hm? I see.

Have fun being wrong and attacking people that were partially defending/agreeing with you.

[Freya]

I hate bunny wtf xD Please sep, why are you getting so riled up? I wasn't saying like OMG OP NERF THEM THEY SUCK! No I was saying they hit hard. Thanks for trying to defend me. But don't get all angry over little stuff. This isn't the wow forums. If you want to flame go there.

[Khaotic]

Did you even bother reading what I said? My first comment was just a silly comparison between trucks and damage, he's the one who insulted me first, and continued to do so, willingly, and you randomly come here saying I was the one trying to fight?

Please, look again and read carefully.

[Freya]

Honey I read it. That's bunny. It's what he does. You shouldn't take too much offense to it.

[Khaotic]

Honey I read it. That's bunny. It's what he does. You shouldn't take too much offense to it.

Huh? I honestly don't care about him, her, transgender, whatever it may be, it's the comment you made. Plus, I know damn well what kind of person they are, I'm not new here, you know. I also know what kind of person you are, as well.

Oh wow you two. I was just saying it they were slightly OP now. I was OP when TBC came out. They'll fix it :/ Seppuku stop fishing for a fight. Bunny ignore him. Sep... STOP FISHING FOR A FIGHT bunny would eat you.

Was it necessary to say I was "fishing for a fight" twice? Was it necessary to say he/she/it/transgender would "eat me"? You simply stirred up what had ended, I was not planning on replying until I saw your hypocritical reply. I say that because you claimed I was trying to start a fight, and yet you posted in response to me in an inappropriate way.

[krissy]

I think this is applicable.

also MMO'S SUCK

[theundeadhero]

The arguing stops here. I don't want to go back and read through this whole thread to find out exactly whats going on, so this is a blanket all of you stop arguing.

[Jowy]

G.N.E.R.D Rage!