Extreme Dark Knight Spoilers Ahead

[Shlup]

I made the start of this thread long enough that it would be safe to hover over, but now I'll make it longer, pansies.

This came up in the other thread, so I thought I would make a poll.

So... Two Face: Dead or no?

[Avarice-ness]

I don't think he's dead, only because I just can't imagine him being killed off that fast.

[Karellen]

I'd like to think that they're not dumb enough to kill off the second best villain in the series, especially now that they're going to have trouble casting the best villain in the next movie. They probably have though.

[Raistlin]

He definitely needs to live since Heath Ledger can't play the Joker.

[Kirobaito]

He definitely needs to live since Heath Ledger can't play the Joker.

Indeed. I think it's possible that they intended for him to die originally, and perhaps included a more definitive death scene or something, but once Ledger died, took that out. You can't lose Batman's two biggest villains in the same movie.

[Kenshin IV]

It was clearly stated by Batman that they needed to fake Dents death to prevent Gotham from finding out what their "White Knight" had become. "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

Also, despite what happened to Ra's al Ghul, Chris Nolan has clearly made known his disdain for killing off major canon characters.

[Bloodline666]

I have a gut feeling Dent survives.

At least they didn't smurf Two-Face's character up as badly as they did in Batman Forever!

[Shlup]

They did not at all state they were going to fake his death. They said they were going to cover up the horrible things he did while they showed him laying on the pavement with his eyes open.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ra's al Ghul wasn't dead though.

[Karellen]

It was clearly stated by Batman that they needed to fake Dents death to prevent Gotham from finding out what their "White Knight" had become. "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

That line could have easily been in relation to Batman's current situation: he was taking the fall for everything Harvey did, thus becoming the 'villain'.

[El Bandito]

I doubt Two-Face will be the main villain of the next movie since Nolan has said in interviews he wants to focus on Batman villains that haven't gotten much attention movies-wise (which is a shame because I would've loved to see his take on the Riddler).

As far as Dent, I figured they just held the "funeral" to keep his "white knight" image and secretly stuck the real Dent in Arkham.

[Del Murder]

No one ever dies in movies.

[daggertrepe]

That guy who played Dent was teh hottness.

[XxSephirothxX]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ra's al Ghul wasn't dead though.

I haven't read a ton of Batman comics, mostly just the landmark graphic novels like Dark Knight Returns, Long Halloween, etc. But isn't Ra's al Ghul, like, immortal? While it seems less likely they'd bring him back for another film, based purely on the characters, I think it's more likely he'd be alive than Two Face.

No one ever dies in movies.

That's even more true about comics.

[Shlup]

Yeah, he's basically immortal. Mostly. Kind of. I don't think he would survive a train crash without some special means, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the future.

[Bloodline666]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ra's al Ghul wasn't dead though.

I haven't read a ton of Batman comics, mostly just the landmark graphic novels like Dark Knight Returns, Long Halloween, etc. But isn't Ra's al Ghul, like, immortal? While it seems less likely they'd bring him back for another film, based purely on the characters, I think it's more likely he'd be alive than Two Face.

No one ever dies in movies.

That's even more true about comics.

Now that you bring it up...I heard a rumor around the time of the Schumacher films that they would bring back the Joker in that series of films, with those rumors even going as far as stating that Jack Nicholson would reprise that very role, though I'm glad that rumor never came to life; Schumacher would've screwed up the Joker's character the way he screwed up the two films he directed. Under Schumacher, we would basically be seeing the Joker from that 60s TV series.