Aren't you part of the debate yourself? o_OOriginally Posted by Magixion
If only it were that easy.. Some people just love to create controversy on the most minute of subjects.
Aren't you part of the debate yourself? o_OIf only it were that easy.. Some people just love to create controversy on the most minute of subjects.
in·no·va·tionI had replies for most of your comments, but if this is the way you're going to behave (taking me defending myself from yet another one of Bolivar's idiotic personal attacks, taking something else that was obviously a joke, and being a complete douchebag with the) then smurf you. Of course the guy who broke into tears at that cheesy Halo 3 commercial is going to defend it to the death. If Edge had given it an award for being the best racing game of the year, you'd be here with just as much fury.Ahem:Also:
Would you kindly kiss my ass?
I will say one thing, though. Taking features that have been on PCs for years and applying them to console's is not innovative. The original Xbox was not innovative for having a hard drive. The PS1 was not innovative for having 3D graphics. Halo is not innovative for having decent matchmaking, a level editor, a community that shares their own created content, or anything else./ˌɪn
Read the definition of innovation. Halo 3 introduced something different to consoles. End of story. Regardless of your bias towards hating Halo 3.
1. something new or different introduced
Yes, I am, but I am willing to put everything aside and say Halo 3 has some cool things Edge considers innovative, but clearly the others on this thread are not.
Whatever you say. :rolleyes2
Roh hoh hoh hoh! Someone get me the ointment, I've been burned! By someone who brought something unbelievably unrelated in, misrepresented it entirely, and clearly has no response to the actual points made!
So, when you make a joke, it's all fine and dandy. When someone else does, you better watch out, Roto's about? And he'll misrepesent you to high heavens? I was going to say "maybe it's not deliberate" but I don't see how the monumental levels of fail and misrepresentation in this thread could be anything other than wilful.
Whatever, man. We've tried. You just keep getting more and more desperate as your hard head is pounded upon by our obvious correctness, until you're reduced to "I'm not going to argue with a BABY so I'm taking my ball and going HOME" because you evidently have no response to our points.
Oh, to be young and naïve. :rolleyes2
NO! This is the internet! There is not time for agreement!
I did read the article and they didn't bring anything overly innovative to gaming. Which was my interpretation of how they described the award; as something that brings something innovative to gamind. Not consoles. Just because they did it first on a console (to my knowledge) doesn't negate the fact that it was done before. That'd be like Wolfenstein 3D being released, and then someone going and making an FPS for the SNES immediately after (that isn't even as good as the original game) and being hailed as the creators of the FPS genre. It's patently rediculous.
And for the record, I don't appreciate being called a "silly kid" by someone who can't even bother to check the age in my profile. Forget the fact that I have a University degree, live on my own, work full time, and am engaged to be married.
This thread has turned pretty ugly now. Whats with you lot? Most people in this thread are being very ignorant of other peoples opinions. Both sides are trying to discredit the other game which is silly because I think every game in this thread has innovated in small ways.
But I'll say this. What Halo 3 has done will effect gaming more than Portal. We'll see developers copy various features from the game in future titles so years from now we'll have features that are are mandatory in all games and can say it stemmed from Halo 3. Nobody is trying to copy Portal so it really hasn't changed gaming at all. In that regards, Halo 3 deserves the award more than Portal. But why does it always come down to Portal vs Halo 3. Rock Band should of won.
I think many of us are managing to be a lot calmer than it would seem over the internet. It's a pretty heated discussion that's stemming from a pretty ambiguous description of what an award was actually given out for, and exactly what some people consider innovation in gaming.
For what it's worth, I do agree with you to an extent that Halo 3 will have more of an impact on games going forward, though I don't think it was the most innovative title in that list.
I'm not really sure why you think Rock Band should have won though outside of DLC. I admit that they do DLC at a faster pace than pretty much any company around, but then, I'd imagine it takes a much smaller amount of time and fewer people for them to create a track in Rock Band and play test it than it would take a company like Valve to create and play test new maps or weapons in TF2 for example. I'm not really trying to take anything away from the rapid release pace or quality of Rock Bands DLC though, even if I didn't like the game in general. It's always impressed me that they get the new songs out as fast as they do.
I understand where you're coming from with this argument. However, I think that it's safe to say that Halo 3 is going to have a significant effect on games in the future. I'm not honestly sure that any game on that list did anything particularly new, they just did old things better (ie Halo 3 combined the best of online and made all of it even better; Portal took Narbacular Drop and made it better; Rock Band took Guitar Hero and amped it up, etc.) - so in my eyes, giving the award to the game which is going to have the most significant impact on games in the future is probably fair.
Not picking holes, but I'm genuinely interested, what do you feel Rock Band did to deserve this award? (Disclaimer: I've never played Rock Band.)
Then hopefully you will take my apology as I got caught up in the debate a bit.
To continue about the topic though, I can understand why some people say Halo didn't do anything specifically new, but added in new elements to a game mechanic or feature that had been done before it. But, as Milf said also, most all of the games mentioned did the exact same thing. I just believe Halo 3 will have the largest impact on gaming in the future and did the most things right.
Ripped of Guitar Hero, which, in turn, ripped off actually playing a guitar. :PNot picking holes, but I'm genuinely interested, what do you feel Rock Band did to deserve this award? (Disclaimer: I've never played Rock Band.)
If you'd let me but in for a few seconds of your life please.
The fact that Halo 3 is going to be the most influential for console gaming than any other game on that list is the definition of innovation to me.
placeholder_text.jpeg
It also makes me sad.
But that's all I'm saying on the matter. >_>
Are you aware of the definition of "irony"?
Of course the guy who broke into tears at that cheesy Halo 3 commercial is going to defend it to the death.Anyway,If Edge had given it an award for being the best racing game of the year, you'd be here with just as much fury.
That's about my point, bra.
The Backstreet Boys were sure as hell influential for all the music that dominated radio for quite a few years, but that doesn't mean it was innovative.
In the strict sense of the word which Magixion introduced to this thread, influence, or impact thereafter, has nothing to do with innovation, although I'm sure most of us consider it an important aspect in our own personal meaning of the word.
I'm not saying HALO [roto] brought absolutely nothing new to the table and could never possibly be supported by any competent argument to actually be so[/roto], but for the aforementioned definition, I would rather see Portal at the top of the list, or Rock Band, especially since it is in regard to interactivity. But honestly:
1) I do seem to remember a program for Half-Life in which one player could alter the map and game settings at the same time others are playing, so I'm pretty sure they could have more than one person do it.
2) There's alot of awesome sites for specific servers of FPS and other games in which an astonishing multitude of statistics are displayed, even bullets fired for each weapon, accuracy with specific guns, and ladders for what's the most popular weapon, etc. regulatorsrealm.com for counter-strike was the server/site I used specifically, we're talkin 3-4 years ago now.
3) I'm not sure about that screenshot/past 30 games issue, but that doesn't mean a predecessor doesn't exist.
4) party matching has been essential to clan ladders for quite some time now, and not just for the clan overall.
^ Those are my answers to the 4 questions that Magixion raised.
Dreddz, get the hell out of here with that pansy garbage, I've had enough of your nonsense as it is.
[/sarcasm]
I think MILF, Magixion, Azar, DK and others on the pro-H3 side, as well as Vivi22 and others on the opposition have all articulated their ideas well and in a courteous manner, just a little unwarranted attacks have disrupted it a little. But overall I think we can all say that we can walk away from this having learned a little we didn't know about before.
[/Mr. Rogers]
Last edited by Bolivar; 08-13-2008 at 04:30 AM.
This still comes off like you're confusing innovation for originality. Innovation is more like bringing something to the table that is a new take on an idea brought about through thinking, experimentation and growth, rather than something entirely new altogether. It remains a fact that Halo 3 put a buttload of ideas together in one game in an extremely functional and easy to use way on a format that it has never been achieved at the scale Halo 3 does it at before. That, to me, is innovation.The Backstreet Boys were sure as hell influential for all the music that dominated radio for quite a few years, but that doesn't mean it was innovative.
In the strict sense of the word which Magixion introduced to this thread, influence, or impact thereafter, has nothing to do with innovation, although I'm sure most of us consider it an important aspect in our own personal meaning of the word.
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
