Which game best personified the definition of "Fantasy"?

[Bolivar]

Yes we do, what kind of people do you hang out with.

You consider a game with trolls, elves, dwarves, and a heavy emphasis on magic to be science fiction? The reason I brought up the game is because of how outspoken Shadow Run gamers can get over this popular misunderstanding of what is fantasy and what isn't.

Hell, most sources have Shadow Run listed as cyber punk. What? Does your definition of cyber punk mean magic and trolls are not allowed?

Actually most sources have Shadow Run listed as "RPG" - not sure what you're talking about. And "Urban Fantasy" seems to be used along with cyberpunk alot of the time for its description, if not more.

When did I say magic and trolls are not in cyber punk? One of my first points in this thread was to establish that there are sub-genres of fantasy, specifically mentioning cyberpunk

Fantasy is something out of the realm of believable, once you start to lean closer to a Science Fiction setting/story it becomes much more believable, and to me FFVII and FFVIII strayed closer to that.

Just look at the first few sections of FFVII, you start in a huge city. The entire strife (lmaowaffles) is that the reactors of the city are draining the life out of the planet. That isn't fantasy at all. We move on to Kalm, and have a nice little memory. We end up going to another reactor, and the reactor is housed with scientific experiments. Even the magic of the game is 'debunked'.

"That isn't fantasy at all."

- The beginning of the game has you using a sword and magic spells to destroy people with guns!!!! Accompanied by large cat-beasts! You're telling me FFVII strays closer to the believable!?

You have just successfully convinced me that you did not in fact actually play the game.

Either that or you have just demonstrated just how blatantly ignorant you can be of things so closely tied to your argument.