back into the world of FF7

[PeneloRatsbane]

the only thing that kicks people of is the confrontational tude that some people sometimes take. an opinion is an opion but its all in the way you present it and yourself.

I think AC could have been better, needed a lot more AVALANCHE and a lot less dumb ass silver hair boys. also less generic extra's and more back characters from the game, (Shera, Elmyra extra) also would have been great if it had more locations in it. but its still enjoyable i think

[Idaho]

I get the idea that people don't like it when you say your disappointed with the Compilation. It's often regarded as whining or bitching. I'm totally not doing that, just saying I don't like AC and wondering if it ll take something away from the original.

[Rostum]

When you say it like that I agree, and I do ignore the compilation.

I just wanted to warn him that if he didn't like AC, then he might not like CC either. Cause I feel both games brought the same thing to the VII mythos: nothing

Is it wrong to offer a different opinion?

Well, I never said it was wrong to have a different opinion, if you want to take it that way then I can't stop you. But it goes the same way, I have the opinion that your opinion isn't based off of anything that has any real substance. Now that's fine if you think I'm wrong, but that's my opinion. I think even though I personally didn't like Advent Children, I still loved Crisis Core, even if it were simply because of Zack's development which was completely worth it, in my opinion.

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[mulley]The best thing to do is ignore these kinds of remarks. - Flying Mullet[/mulley]

Edit: Just to clear up, I can not fathom the idea of sequels or prequels having the power to take anything from the original. I just don't see how they change the original so much; it's not like they've remade the game or anything. It's still the same as it was when it was released.

[Elly]

what was added was clarification on Cloud and Tifa's relationship, and what was taken away was the common misconception of Cloud having any real interest in Aerith, that's what gets some of the old fans riled up, except those like myself that always knew the truth that there was never really a Love Triangle to begin with... maybe some people like to swim in muddy watters, but personaly i prefer the clarification the compilation provides, not just the LTD but other aspects as well...

[Akina_Fair89]

Personally I love Crisis Core and Digre of Cerberus. But i have to say Advent Children was kind of lacking in the story telling part. It was kind hard for me to get at first because it kept going to different many scenes at once. The movie was good.

[Raebus]

I thought Advent Children wasn't a good movie. It lacked story which is what killed my enjoyment for it and I thought the action scenes were sloppy.

[Wolf Kanno]

Edit: Just to clear up, I can not fathom the idea of sequels or prequels having the power to take anything from the original. I just don't see how they change the original so much; it's not like they've remade the game or anything. It's still the same as it was when it was released.

I'm not completely against sequels and spin-offs when done well and with respect to the original source material but I feel the Compilation does not fulfill in either case.

When it changes and retcons plot elements and history it can affect the originals. Case in point the Force from Star Wars. In the original trilogy its a mysterious pseudo-religious philosophy and element that adds a sense of mystery and wonder to the films. In the prequels, its defined as simple bacteria in your cells that give you psychic powers. Suddenly, its difficult to get the wonder and breath of depth from Yoda's teachings to Skywalker when you suddenly remember that the Force is just a simple biological organism and the line "trust in the Force" can now be changed to say, "Trust the bacteria" it sorta kills all the mystique of the franchise when the franchise continues to utilize the retcon as canon.

For the Compilation, a lot of the changes are minor but it goes against statement made from the original game. For instance, CC states (SPOILER)the war in Wutai was caused by Wutai refusing to have Mako energy from Shin-Ra. Its clearly shown that Shin-Ra is in the Mako manufacturing business. In the original game, Cid states the war with Wutai started back when Shin-Ra was still a weapons manufacturing company. They hadn't even learn how much profits they could get from Mako energy until after the events when Cid had his failed launch. (SPOILER)CC states that the war in Wutai ended before Cid's launch. Its a glaring error and changes a bit of the original cause we now have to change a few facts regarding history.

The major element that bother me about CC and this is a major error that does in fact makes you question the main game; is the story revolving around the Nibelheim Incident. Easily one of the most important scenes in the original game's story. (SPOILER)CC adds Genesis to the Nibelheim Reactor scene from the original, he goads Sephiroth into learning about the Jenova project and personally I feel Sephiroth's whole involvement with Genesis and Angeal should have given him a better heads-up concerning the truth of his own origins so I feel their involvement in the story cheapens Sephiroth's reaction. Not to mention we also had Genesis' forces attack both Tifa and Cloud at the reactor and the dialogue from the original story indicates, Zack met Cloud for the first time at Nibelheim whereas CC has them as bosom buddies before the mission even started.

What's the major problem here that affects the original story? If Cloud knew all this, why doesn't he talk about any of it in the original game? Course its obvious that Cloud couldn't remember anything that was made ten years after the original but I also ask why would you make such drastic change to a story element that the main game's plot hangs upon? They should have had greater respect for the source material. Now it throws the main story in question if we are lead to believe we must treat CC as canon so now we have to either come up with lame excuses as to why Cloud doesn't remember(SPOILER) Genesis being at Nibelheim throughout the original game or wait for a remake that is going to have massive rewrites to the story. It just seems backwards that VII has to be remade so it fits with the Compilation when the Compilation should have been written not to conflict with the original.

[Elly]

there's a clear and simple reason Cloud does not remember those things mentioned, and it's even explained in the original game, it was due to his Mako poisoning that his memories and personality got muddled up not to mention Sephiroth with full control of JENOVA was fracking with his mind as well... it's no surprise that a lot got left out especialy when you take into consideration that the original story was told from Clouds point of view... each part of the compilation is another part of the whole told from a different perspective from a different character... CC form Zack, LO is Tsung reading a report and of course with secrecy being a big thing in ShinRa it's no surprise the story was convoluted a bit, AC & Meteorfall (original game) were told from Clouds pov, with DoC being from vincents... now if you take into consideration that all these sources from different pov's then it's no surprise there's gonna be a bit of conflict in the story, but with a little thaught it begins to add up and make sense...

[Wolf Kanno]

Its a good argument Elly but you have a few flaws when it comes to CC. First, Cloud's mind is restored at the end of Disc 2, and I feel (SPOILER)Genesis' presence was large enough to bare mentioning. (SPOILER)It also doesn't change the conflicting dialogue about his relationship with Zack. Now it can be argued that his mind may still be a bit fuzzy about all the details and I will concur its a logical solution yet the real problem comes from this: Tifa was there for some of the changes and yet she makes no mention of it. As usual Tifa is the liability in the plot. She makes no mention and personally I feel the events in CC were big enough to warrant a mention.

Its probably the other issue I had with CC's original story elements. (SPOILER)Genesis caused enough major incidents to warrant a lasting impression on the VII world. There are ways to explain why it bares no mention in the original (outside of the obvious logic) yet I feel logically many of them are weak arguments and only a thorough rewrite of the original game can fix many of the conflicting story elements.

I just feel its a bit of sloppy work resulting in fans coming up with baseless reasoning to explain continuity errors. To be honest, I enjoy the expansion of Zack's character in CC, I just wish the writing had been a bit more professional. Especially when these changes don't help the original game, yet instead create the foundation for an inevitable future sequel.

Its probably my real complaint with CC, it doesn't feel so much like a prequel designed to expand and explain the set-up of the scenario's in the original game as much as its a prequel explaining the events that will take place in another sequel/spin-off that has little to do with original. (SPOILER)Outside of the Buster sword origin and the changes to Zack's relationship to Cloud and Aerith; CC expands very little on events that pertain to the original game. Its plot is more about setting up Genesis as a new antagonist/ protagonist in future installments of the Compilation. I also argue that there really was no point in having Genesis even at Nibelheim. This of course is just my opinion though.

[Jowy]

I feel that nothing can tarnish the original Final Fantasy VII as long as it exists in its current form.

Aging ten years and noticing all of the hilarious grammatical and spelling errors kind of ruined the experience for me. :aimcry:

[squiike]

advent children tried its best to ruin the soul left in the ffworld.
i just keep looking away when square-enix pukes up new stuff

[Dr. Acula]

I'm sure if you treat the Compilation games as games in their own right (not as sequels or prequels) then they can't be that bad.

[PeneloRatsbane]

I don't think CC lessens the importance of Cloud and Aeris's relationship. They had fun together and made each other happy, they had feelings for each other and Cloud's feelings for her just don't vanish when he gets his head back together.
It does confirm that Cloud had feelings for Tifa all along but it doesn't devalue his feelings for Aeris.
The three way relationship is complicated and it can't just be shunned away by which ever side u prefer. i don't think you can appreciate the extent of the love going on until you can understand the fact that he loved or loves Both Tifa and Aeris at different times. (but come on in the end he Has to get with Tifa, i mean the poor chick deserves him, she stuck by him so much and Aeris is dead sadly)

[Bolivar]

^ I heard the movie was also left ambiguous, so the player's interpretation of the triangle could be maintained.

Maybe Cloud and Tifa were just friends who lived together. Or friends with benefits. Who knows?

[Saber]

I don't really care what anybody says about the ff7 spins. The game was great and left people with strong emotions for it. Thats why there are some spin offs. Now to say that they are good or bad? It depends on how much you want to experience stuff about the FF7 world. Me I'm a big fan and I like to see new things other then Cloud and the gang kill everything with 4 time cut or slash all.

I remember when I was a little younger I wished that I could play the game with Zack in place of cloud. Well now I got ff7cc and all is good. I'm sure people wanted a game with vincent, now they got ff7DoC. Its what so many people wanted and thats what square enix gave (besides aeris' life back).