back into the world of FF7

[Elly]

exactly they expanded the world by giving us more detailed locations and more characters to flesh the world out yet ppl complain because it's not FF7 redux... and friends that live together, please, like they use the word family about a billion times just cause they're friends, right, no there is a conclusion to that particular arc and it ends with CxT as evidenced by AC and "The Way to a Smile", there is no ambiguity it couldn't get any clearer to anyone who has paid attention...

[Bolivar]

^ my bad, i guess you're right.

And I agree on what you and sora said too. I've found that the biggest amount of people who like to complain, bitch, and cry about the compilation are people who have a problem with VII being popular to begin with. I've never bought a spin off because they just don't interest me that much (watched AC a few times online). At the same time I know there's people who have enjoyed these products and I'm glad for them they were released.

[hhr1dluv]

In line with what Elly has said, I would definitely agree that the Tifa/Cloud/Aeris triangle is resolved through the compilation. Though, I didn't feel like AC solved it conclusively...I think it just started showing how Cloud and Tifa had grown closer and would probably pursue a romance.

What really gave me the C/T answer was the Kingdom Hearts franchise actually. lol Calling Tifa Cloud's light in KH2 was kind of a glaring hint, IMO. I know that KH is nowhere near FF7 canon, but I think that having that kind of moment showed where Square's perception of the triangle lies. Anyway, by the time Crisis Core came around and showed us the beautiful cuteness of the Zack/Aeris origins (coupled with AC's nod toward them), I think it's safe to say that Square has come out and said that the primary canon relationships are Cloud/Tifa and Zack/Aeris.

I'm sure in a future FF7 sequel we'll have a NEW triangle...Yuffie/Vincent/Shelke. :P Which makes me wonder...will more people be Vincent/Yuffie or Vincent/Shelke? I don't like either, but I really can't stand Vincent/Yuffie...so yah.

Also, in response to PeneloRatsbane...though having it be C/T does not negate Cloud's love for Aeris, it does kind of change some things, or at least it did for me. See, I (and perhaps a bunch of other people) was kind of used to thinking of one great love for the hero in each game. When you first go into 7, I think that the average person believes that Aeris is Cloud's great love and that once she dies, he is only left Tifa as a second option. Obviously it's not as simple as that, as the second half of the game does a lot to show her importance to Cloud...and blah...7 left it all very ambiguous. But, knowing the 'answer' to the triangle, I no longer view Aeris as Cloud's great love. In other words, it is no longer Cloud/Aeris that goes along with Squall/Rinoa, Tidus/Yuna, and Zidane/Dagger...but Cloud/Tifa. Crisis Core emphasized the effect that Zack must have had on the C/A relationship IMO, which kind of diminishes my views on the C/A coupling. Of course, could Square just be emphasizing C/T and Z/A for the sake of its compilation? Perhaps.

[Mercen-X]

They need to remake VII now so it no longer conflicts with the Compilation and I find that sad and proof enough of the Compilations faults.

For reasons beside no one in VII ever hinting at Genesis' existence? There aren't any real reasons for his presence not occurring in VII, just excuses.

But anyway, whatever, I don't care. I've been campaigning for Re:VII since I played VIII. Every installment since has made me push harder. Despite the Compilation being a desperate maneuver feeding off the hardcore fan's obsession with VII (and are in themselves disappointing comparatively) it's done its job. I want Re:VII even more than then and I've only watched AC and played through DC. I plan to buy CC (since they don't rent out PSP games) and I wish against my common sense for Square to release BC on a system other than phones ('cause phones suck). In fact, I'd likely end up owning the entire collection including E-ZC.

VII doesn't need a remake. Give it a remake for it's 20th anniversary, but a game made for Playstation can wait a few years before being remade.

No! VII must be released 2012 on its 15th anniversary as this will be the year I have my six epileptic episode which will this time feature six consecutive seizures on June 6. Then, if the world doesn't end, my epilepsy should be gone and I can console myself with my new console game Re: Final Fantasy VII: The Uber Make-You-Wet-Your-Pants Edition.

Heh. I'm gonna name'em. Final Fantasy VII: E-ZC
Ex Chaotica, From Celsius, Gaia's Cradle, Hell Cries, Iaido Caress, Jade Corridors, Kaito's Ciel, Lucrecia's Cherub, Madness of Cerise, Nemesis Creed, Ocean's Cabal, Plague of Cain, Quantus ex Calibre, Requiem Caesura, SOLDIER's Confidant, Tears of Cocytus, Utopian Conquest, Victor Centurion, Wings of Caduceus, Xenos Cross, Yours to Cherish, Zion Chronicles.

[PeneloRatsbane]

hmm thts what i like about it, i never considered Tifa a second best, its complicated his love for them both because its more realistic. i love it

and as for a Vincet/yuffie/shelke love triangle.... no matter what Shelke is in actuallaty she is mentally and physically 10 years old, I played DOC and i don't get why people assume its a romantic relationship, they are friends and they have a few things in common, but its nothing sexual, theres no tension between them it would be the grossest and most boring ship ever. I also think that the idea of it makes Shelke into a bit of a pointless mary-sueesque deity, she needs a chance to be a kid.
as for Vincent and Yuffie? hmm i dunno there is tension there and it would be interesting and much more appropriate but Vincent would need to develope emotionally more and Yuffie would need to calm a little, which she has started to do, and she does look so sad at the end, that tilts me towards liking it, doesn't mean it will happen tho

[Wolf Kanno]

They need to remake VII now so it no longer conflicts with the Compilation and I find that sad and proof enough of the Compilations faults.

For reasons beside no one in VII ever hinting at Genesis' existence? There aren't any real reasons for his presence not occurring in VII, just excuses.

But anyway, whatever, I don't care. I've been campaigning for Re:VII since I played VIII. Every installment since has made me push harder. Despite the Compilation being a desperate maneuver feeding off the hardcore fan's obsession with VII (and are in themselves disappointing comparatively) it's done its job. I want Re:VII even more than then and I've only watched AC and played through DC. I plan to buy CC (since they don't rent out PSP games) and I wish against my common sense for Square to release BC on a system other than phones ('cause phones suck). In fact, I'd likely end up owning the entire collection including E-ZC.

I'm not against a remake of VII per se, in fact I feel its been inevitable since its release. Though I would just want one with a better localization (perhaps one that makes Barret not sound like a stereotype :rolleyes2) I don't even care about a graphic upgrade. Yet it seems to me it will now need to incorporate the Compilation into its mythos and it bother me a bit cause the Compilation is not as good as the original. But these are just how things go I guess.

[Mercen-X]

no matter what Shelke is in actuality, she is mentally and physically 10 years old. I also think that the idea of it makes Shelke into a bit of a pointless mary-sue-esque deity, she needs a chance to be a kid.
Vincent would need to develop more emotionally and Yuffie would need to calm, which she has started to do and she does look so sad at the end

F1rst) Where are you getting your information? Shelke is only PHYSICALLY 10. Where did you get the mental part? Shelke has been alive just as long as her sister, Shalua, so naturally, she has the mind (and spirit) of someone of equal age. However, given the hardships she's endured, I'd agree that she needs a chance to reinvigorate her child spirit and just live. She can concern herself with love somewhere far down the line. (Whereas Vincent no longer has an excuse, he's just a puss)
Sec2nd) As I've said, Vincent is a puss just like Cloud, he won't step up, he's stuck on Lucrecia. As for Yuffie. She's a materia girl. I imagine she'd be pretty easily won over.

[PeneloRatsbane]

Because Shelke hasn't had a childhood or a teenage years, shes been locked down in deep ground no chance to experience a normal life and if we consider Shelke to be 19 then the same logic must apply to Vincent make him 60. Its not just a simple as saying shes actually 19, shes been basically switched off for 9 years just as Vincent was for 30 years, the situation is complicated but i think if we use differen't logic for each character then it loses all sense completely.

[Mercen-X]

You suggest that simply because of the way he looks, Vincent Valentine doesn't express the personality of a 60-year-old man? Or does the idea of a 60-year-old fraternizing with a 19-year-old creep you out? 'Cause that's retarded. It's not as if the concept is new. Lots of young girls find a deeper sense of maturity, understanding, and knowledge attactive in men. Some relationships of this sort actually manage to last longer than most marriages between people of equal age or only slight age difference.

Now where was I? Anyway, like I said, Shelke does need the opportunity to explore the childhood she missed, but that doesn't mean she's literally a child. In fact, in DC, she gradually adopts many characteristics of Vincent's first love, Lucrecia (which may have been the spark some fans seen in a possible romance between them).