So what's the punishment for piracy anyway? I heard it was very unreasonable.
So what's the punishment for piracy anyway? I heard it was very unreasonable.
Depends on where you are. I read that in Japan it is legal to download as long as you aren't making a monetary profit from it, but not to upload/seed. (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just saying what I read).Originally Posted by Jessweeee♪
As for the US, I'm not sure. I've never been caught before and I've been downloading stuff illegally for a couple of years now.
Yeah, hi, While Roto and the rest of us are engaging in a discussion, you are being absolutely rude and inconsiderate. So this is a warning, act civil or don't post at all. K, thanks.Look, will Breine and Miriel please tell us what exactly it is that is being stolen? There is indeed something that is being stolen in piracy, but it's not the product itself, which is what Roto is trying to tell you. I know what's being stolen, but it seems you don't, so until you give the answer...
...you're going to keep sounding like a bloody ignorant parrot and Roto is gonna keep tearing you a new asshole.
Please continue tearing these bloody ignorant parrots a new asshole, Roto.
And no, the use of "parrot" is not intended to be in any way connected to pirates. They're just a good example of something whose intellectual limits stretch as far as repeating words they don't even understand.
Stop quoting crap you don't understand.Maybe take a page from Roto and post intelligently rather than resorting to crass remarks.
Haha, yeah. I'm the one on the pedestal for not trying to shirk a label I rightfully deserve. Sure.As for the first part of your post, yup, that's exactly it. Thanks for finally owning up to it!
I wasn't shirking it to begin with, so don't you 'finally' me. As I said earlier, if I like something I download, I'll buy it if at all possible. Doing so provides money for the company who sells the product, and allows me to free up space on my hard drive. However, if something is out of print/discontinued/costs way too much to begin with, I have no problem downloading it. That's my policy. It doesn't mean that it's legal, but I honestly don't care.Haha, yeah. I'm the one on the pedestal for not trying to shirk a label I rightfully deserve. Sure.
I've done it before, certainly. I don't pretend like it's not wrong.
If I ever missed an episode of LOST prior to the addition of them online, I downloaded them. But I bought the full seasons when they came out on DVD.
I don't do it all that much anymore. I downloaded Power Rangers because it's not on DVD and I felt like watching it. I've never downloaded a movie. I don't download music anymore, mainly because you can't even find the music I listen to online. I also know a lot of the artists that I like, and so want to reward them for their good work. I also, quite frankly, like having the liner notes and the actual, physical CDs.
I do not like it when people act like they're not doing anything wrong. When I've done it, I know I'm doing something wrong.
How did this get so heated? Sure its a less immoral kind of stealing. And a "technically not stealing, but still really illegal" kind of stealing. But the point is its happening. The point is not to judge those who are doing it. Just to get them to admit they're doing it. And yeah. Its more of a Robin Hood "stick it to the man" kinda thing. But, well, yeah. I just stick it to the man. They shouldn't charge so much and they should make things more readily available, and then people would probably buy more. 'Cause sometimes its a bitch trying to find it for download. I'm not paying $500 for Photoshop. Adobe is just freaking crazy. Not to mention nobody around here sells it xD
I think games are too expensive. But I buy them. When I can. I don't spend hundreds of dollars on that software. I'm not gonna spend hundreds of dollars on any other software. I'm going to steal it
I totally agree with the Photoshop thing S:
I thought I'd look into Dreamweaver to see if it's any good and it's like $400 or something x.x
I probably won't go through the trouble of pirating that, but I probably would if it took only five minutes of my time to do.
Hmm..
My Business Law book Miriel would disagree with you. For it to count as theft, even intellectual property theft, the company has to have its profit harmed. In other words what you did had to hurt the company. If you never had the intention to buy, if you are not making profit off their product, and if you don't make it available to others; then you are not hurting the company.
This is possibly why Japan, if Momiji is correct, makes it illegal to Seed(because that is making the copies available which could hurt the companies profit) but not necessarily to download(since you may have never had the intention to purchase in the first place).
Not to say that my Business Law book doesn't consider Piracy to be illegal, it is just a different crime than theft. We also made that same distinction in my various Computer Network Administration classes.
Also to note:
Yeah, my law dictionary has the primary definition of Theft redirecting to Larceny without its own definition. In addition my Business law book almost never uses the word theft. It is always Larceny or some other technical term. Theft is used in the Business law book as a broad term to cover a large number of crimes and isn't considered a crime of its own(it is just a category of crimes).
Also, since I will be asked, The book is Business Law Today written by Jentz and Miller. But it made a distinction between theft and piracy. And I figure if a Business Law book and My computer Network Administration classes draw that distinction that it is a fairly valid distinction to draw. But the distinction is that theft must harm the one being stolen from whereas piracy(illegal downloading) does not necessarily harm the company(since the person may not have bought it even if they couldn't download it) and may actually help the company in tiny way(by spreading the word and building interest, sort of like the anime industry and fansubs).
STILL Updating the anime list. . . I didn't think I was that much of an anime freak! I don't even want to consider updating the manga list!
In this ENTIRE thread, I was never talking about legalities. I keep saying this over and over and people don't seem to get it. I don't care about technicalities or what the law says or whether it's illegal, legal, partly legal, whether anyone is getting hurt by it, what your motives are, ETC. You guys keep bringing up that stuff everytime I post, when I'm not even arguing any of that stuff. So I dunno how you can say that your law book "disagrees" with me when I was never talking about the law.
I'll say this AGAIN, common sense says that if you take something that doesn't belong to you and you don't pay for it, you're stealing.
What do I think about piracy, that's the topic of the thread. I think it's stealing. Again and again people try and justify their actions and try and make it seem less than what it is. Companies are too rich! I'm actually HELPING them! Prices are too expensive! Whatever. I honestly don't care about any of that stuff. I don't care what people's motivations are and if quarterly reports are being affected by piracy. I just call it like I see it, and people are getting soooo offended by it.
Apparently Common Sense doesn't necessarily dictate as you state. My 'common sense' happens to align with the law on this matter(though it doesn't on other matters). And several people I speak with regularly or even irregularly who don't even know law tend to align themselves the same way(whether or not they pirate, one of them hadn't even realized you could download music... completely and utterly computer illiterate she was).
My point was simply that between trusting what 'one' person thinks as common sense(due to the fact that this sense seems to differ from person to person and from culture to culture) that I would go with the Text book example. My Law professor and even the majority of my Law class happened to figure the book was stating 'common sense'.
In the end I am merely stating that those who say it isn't theft are right. However, like most words in the English language it is open to interpretation and one interpretation is Wiki's - "theft (also known as stealing or filching) is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent." Which would probably include piracy(though if you want to argue that it doesn't feel free to do so, I am interested in what could possibly be brought up against that). So basically, they are right and, as long as you don't claim it is always the same legally, you are right. So can we move on now?
Anyways I don't really care what you call it because, thanks to being forced to take some law courses, I happen to know I possess knowledge of the 'correct' terminology as far as objective/educational/legal(take your pick) use of the term is concerned.
STILL Updating the anime list. . . I didn't think I was that much of an anime freak! I don't even want to consider updating the manga list!
I think they're just being nitpicky rather than offended
Wow.. I just noticed that my entire last post basically says something like
"You can say it is theft and they can say it isn't theft and you both are right in your own little ways" or some such.
Well I never did claim to be concise. That or maybe my sunburn is a bit worse than I thought.
STILL Updating the anime list. . . I didn't think I was that much of an anime freak! I don't even want to consider updating the manga list!
That be Cap'n Maxx Power ya swab! Batten down the hatches and be hoisting the mainsail, if Piratism not be the greatest thing going since I had myself some fun with five wenches who were...
...wait, what kind of Piracy are we talking about?
There is no signature here. Move along.
I don't think anybody is arguing that it's not illegal or wrong. (In fact I've made sure to be as clear as possible that just because it's not technically stealing, that certainly doesn't absolve anyone of the crime.) For me, at least, it's not the label, I'm just a fan of accuracy. xD If this was theft I'd be fine with being labeled a thief, but it's not. You're not even stealing a copy. The copy isn't taken from anyone who doesn't want you to have it. If I copy a DVD, I'm the one making the copy in the first place so it's mine, even if it is illegal. Buying a DVD grants you the license to watch and use it. Copying the DVD lets you watch the content without a license. That's the illegal part.
Miriel already stated that she downloads stuff. She's not trying to look down on anyone, since she's as guilty as the rest of us. :P She's arguing for the same reason I'm arguing.
Because the law decides what counts as stealing and what doesn't, and that definition doesn't cover what we're talking about. You think it's stealing, some of us and, more importantly, the law disagree.
Yeah, what's up with that? xD I'm not offended, for what it's worth.I'll say this AGAIN, common sense says that if you take something that doesn't belong to you and you don't pay for it, you're stealing.
What do I think about piracy, that's the topic of the thread. I think it's stealing. Again and again people try and justify their actions and try and make it seem less than what it is. Companies are too rich! I'm actually HELPING them! Prices are too expensive! Whatever. I honestly don't care about any of that stuff. I don't care what people's motivations are and if quarterly reports are being affected by piracy. I just call it like I see it, and people are getting soooo offended by it. :p
I download stuff and if I really like it I'll buy it.
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