That talking water fountain from FF1. I never talked to him again after he insulted my face and said it was dirty.
I'm glad I'm not alone on this. I've never actually defeated him and got my Elixir.Originally Posted by blackmage_nuke
That talking water fountain from FF1. I never talked to him again after he insulted my face and said it was dirty.
I'm glad I'm not alone on this. I've never actually defeated him and got my Elixir.
Why does no one second Kuja? He was totally the meanest, most cruel villain!
"Everything has a purpose. It's your life's mission to find yours."
Obviously correct answers don't need seconding.
>>> Hojo..
>> The black orb glitters ominously... but nothing happens..
Kefka actually killed people for the sheer joy he got out of watching them suffer. I don't think it's possible to get crueller than that, and I can't think of any other character in the series who shares that particular personality quirk, so Kefka wins this by default.
>>> Yeah its possible to get crueller, like experimenting on people, your own son and his mother, turning them into monsters and condeem them to a hellish life..
>> The black orb glitters ominously... but nothing happens..
While experimenting on living people is certainly reprehensible, Hojo didn't do it on anywhere near the scale on which Kefka carried out his mass slaughter, if my memory of FFVII is correct. Just the quote, "Nothing can beat the music of hundreds of voices screaming in unison," implies that Kefka carried out mass slaughter out of sheer sadism. I don't recall anything connected to Hojo that suggested he derived enjoyment out of experimenting on people - he did it all out of a lust for power. To me, the word cruel implies that not only is a person a complete asshole, but he or she also takes pleasure in being a complete asshole. That, to me, makes Kefka the greater evil.
>>> If it comes to mass slaughter [spoilers]Hojo also did that in Dirge of Cerberus.[/spoilers]
You are right that Hojo did it all out of a lust for power, but Kefka was lusting for power too right?. I mean it would be stupid to make so many human sacrifices just for the sake of it and without a higher goal.
You say that Kefka enjoyed it, well i can tell that Hojo really enjoyed it too, I dont recall him regreting anything in fact just like Kefka he was always laughing like stupid the whole time..
Well I guess Hojo`s true colors can really be seen in Dirge of Cerberus, in ff7 the bad guy was Sephiroth after all.
Last edited by black orb; 12-16-2008 at 02:29 AM.
>> The black orb glitters ominously... but nothing happens..
^Eh, in the end, I always interpreted Hojo as the true villain of FF VII. (SPOILER)But I agree, he's not really treated as such until later in the compilation. But then, that's only because the perspective is changed, as Hojo is Vincent's nemesis. Also, and this is off topic, but does anyone feel kinda cheated with the introduction of Genesis? He seems to steal some of Sephiroth's fire.
On the topic of Kefka, I can't really remember VI all that well, but Kefka did seem to do some of his mass killings for fun and not necessarily just for power. Why did he poison the water outside Cyan's homeland?
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Kefka is the only correct answer.
As far as I'm concerned, the entire Compilation of FFVII doesn't even exist.
Kefka actually explicitly says that he gets pleasure out of others' pain. Hojo, afaik, never actually said that. Though, since I've never bothered with DoC, I could be wrong.
>>> Huh?
>>> There is no need for a character to explicitly say what is really obvious..
>>> Well you have to understand that poor Tidus, is childhood sucked because of his carefree parents.
And I dont think Tidus really hated Jecht, he just was mad at him and wanted to smack him a good one.
>> The black orb glitters ominously... but nothing happens..
He probably just agree's with me about the quality of the Compilation being very poor and mostly a marketing ploy to bleed money from a successful game.>>> Huh?
In this case, I feel it is important. I never felt that Hojo got enjoyment out of the torture of his victims from experiments. He enjoyed gaining knowledge and he used people to acquire this cause he felt the scientific findings far outweigh the basic rights of life he used to obtain such knowledge. Also, Lucrecia took part of the experiments of her own free will so I don't feel we should be handing out sympathy for her.>>> There is no need for a character to explicitly say what is really obvious..
Kefka, tortures people for the pure enjoyment of it. Other villains kill and torture in order to accomplish goals but Kefka did it cause he felt it was fun. There was rarely little method to his madness. He is a sociopath who feels he is a superior being to others. He purposely goes overboard and torches and demolishes any life he comes across. After becoming a god, he keeps humanity alive only so he can enjoy torturing and killing them slowly. In the end he tells your party that their is no meaning to existence and decides to end all life on the planet cause he feels life is a mistake.
I have tro admit that Tidus' hatred of his dad is pretty weak and unfounded. Yes it sucks to be belittled all the time but overall, I found his story with Jecht to be rather laughable rather than compelling. In the end, Tidus never really hated his dad, he just never understood things from his perspective..>>> Well you have to understand that poor Tidus, is childhood sucked because of his carefree parents.
And I dont think Tidus really hated Jecht, he just was mad at him and wanted to smack him a good one.
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This.He probably just agree's with me about the quality of the Compilation being very poor and mostly a marketing ploy to bleed money from a successful game.>>> Huh?
Again, this. If there's any example of Hojo articulating such an utterly nihilistic view of the world, it has escaped my attention. Though, as I've said, I haven't paid much attention to the Compilation beyond Advent Children. Crisis Core kind of interests me but the rest may as well have never been published for all the attention I'm going to give it.In this case, I feel it is important. I never felt that Hojo got enjoyment out of the torture of his victims from experiments. He enjoyed gaining knowledge and he used people to acquire this cause he felt the scientific findings far outweigh the basic rights of life he used to obtain such knowledge. Also, Lucrecia took part of the experiments of her own free will so I don't feel we should be handing out sympathy for her.>>> There is no need for a character to explicitly say what is really obvious..
Kefka, tortures people for the pure enjoyment of it. Other villains kill and torture in order to accomplish goals but Kefka did it cause he felt it was fun. There was rarely little method to his madness. He is a sociopath who feels he is a superior being to others. He purposely goes overboard and torches and demolishes any life he comes across. After becoming a god, he keeps humanity alive only so he can enjoy torturing and killing them slowly. In the end he tells your party that their is no meaning to existence and decides to end all life on the planet cause he feels life is a mistake.
Hojo also killed Dr Gast to get Ifalna and Aeris. And performed all those experiments to prove the Jenova Reunion theory, where all the subjects just jumped off a cliff to their death. And one would be naive to believe he only experimented on Lucrecia, Red, Aeris and Ifalna. Hojo was a truly nasty piece of work.
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