All of those experiments, as cruel as they are, had the underlying motivation of being performed for knowledge and power. Kefka, on the other hand, had no motivation for his poisoning of Doma other than pure sadism. Hojo is cruel, but Kefka is crueller because the only thing he cares about is causing other people suffering. Even his pursuit of power is only carried out as a means to the end of allowing him to cause people even more suffering.
Theres a lot of terrible villians who did horrible acts in the final fantasy games, but if I had to choose who was the most cruel it would probably be Kefka. As mentioned before, he did evil acts like the other villians, but unlike them he sometimes did it comepletely for the fun and not for a motive or goal.
"Perhaps this is a man even you don't understand. See, some men aren't looking for anything logical, they can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn".
Kefka is Final Fantasies version of the Joker.
I agree.Originally Posted by The Man
The other FF villains, make people suffer to reach power, and then use this power for their own ends. Kefka on the other hand, make people suffer to reach power, and then use this power to make even more people suffer.
Then I guess the "Ivalice Aliance", the Kingdom Heart games, and the future FFXIII Fabula Nova Crystalis games, doesn't even exist to you. Right?This.He probably just agree's with me about the quality of the Compilation being very poor and mostly a marketing ploy to bleed money from a successful game.>>> Huh?
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Well, I argue that the quality of the Ivalice alliance and Kingdom Hearts game exempt them from the claim of non-existence. My personal issue with the Compilation is that its not really adding anything to the story that wasn't perfectly dealt with in the original game. Instead it keeps adding new things and retconning the original title to "shoe-horn" these new ideas into the VII universe. The other problem is that the only purpose these new ideas create is the excuse to create more games regarding story elements no one cares about. (Like Genesis)
The other serials escape this cause they were designed from the start with sequels in mind or at least had enough ambiguous elements to warrant a plausible sequel. VII as far as I'm concerned, is a complete game. There was really nothing left to say afterwards and I feel the Compilation is proving that even the creators are having a hard time tying up loose ends from VII cause they don't really exist.
Crisis Core for instance doesn't tell us really anything about Zack that we didn't already know. What little new information we got is irrelevant in context to the main game. The Compilation isn't really expanding the story of VII and building onto it. Its a different entity that only supports itself from a story standpoint. The only thing it has in common with VII is that it features characters from VII but overall I feel the Compilation is based off VII and not actually a continuation of it; since it has changed so many elements. The quality is just really lacking imo.
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>>> If those games were fan-made or something i`d give you that, but like it or not they are now part of the wide FF universe..This.He probably just agree's with me about the quality of the Compilation being very poor and mostly a marketing ploy to bleed money from a successful game.>>> Huh?
>> The black orb glitters ominously... but nothing happens..
I'd say Hojo out of the ones I've played. Kefka sounds pretty nasy, but I haven't played FFVI yet.
I can ignore them since they are poorly made and beyond featuring characters from VII, have little to do with the actual game. The Compilation world is hardly the same as VII's world in terms of design and tone. If SE can't put in the effort to make them quality products; I hardly see why I should accept them, cause they have FF in the title. :rolleyes2
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That, plus they don't contain the entire original Compilation team. As long as Sakaguchi isn't on the team, it's not a proper FFVII sequel to me.
Sephiroth, because he ripped my heart out at the end of disk one of FF7.
Him, and Squall... what an ass!
Forever obsessed with the one and only flower girl <3
>>> I would like to know what is a quality product by your standards,
for me SE are still the ones who make some of the best rpgs out there.
and is there any FF sequel that you would have really accepted??.
>>> yeah, Sakaguchi cant be arsed to work in every sequel and all the games that have "Final fantasy" in the title, that would be just impossible.
As long as he worries about the main FF games im grateful.
>> The black orb glitters ominously... but nothing happens..
Sakaguchi has had no involvement with any Final Fantasy title after FFX-2 and Tactics Advance, unless you count the DS remake of FFIIIj. He hasn't even worked for Square since 2003; he left the company before it merged with Enix.
Shadow is an asshole, he vanishes right as you need him
I actually accept the Ivalice Alliance to some extent. Mostly cause the world of Ivalice was designed from the beginning to be expanded. Or at least it had stronger elements that would allow franchising it to be plausible. VII was a one shot story, a good one at that. It didn't really need anymore expansion and judging by the Compilation, even the writers are having a hard time expanding the world.>>> I would like to know what is a quality product by your standards,
for me SE are still the ones who make some of the best rpgs out there.
and is there any FF sequel that you would have really accepted??.
CC could have told us intimate details concerning SOLDIER and the Wutai war. Instead we get a few blurbs and then we focus the rest of the game on an emo Sephiroth wannabe.
AC could have been a short heartfelt story about the characters coming to terms with the events of the game. Instead, it was a 90 minute fanservice snuff film, with a lame plot, pretentious dialogue, terrible acting, and basically retreading on ground that was resolved in the second half of the original game. None of it was necessary but fans just needed to see Cloud fight Sephiroth, again.
BC introduces a whole slew of characters who don't exist in the original, never really explains what happened to them and created a drawn out story about AVALANCHE's origins that has no really bearing on the main game's plot, since its all resolved in BC and covered up so no one in later games would need to know, unless we made a sequel where these details came to light...
To be fair, I would say Sakaguchi hasn't had any real hands on involvement in an FF since IX and FF:TSW. X was started at the same time as IX and with Sakaguchi working both on IX and the movie, I doubt he had much involvement with X or XI past their inception. He's just an Executive Producer, so I doubt he was very much involved. After the FF movie bombed, I'm pretty sure he got shoved into the "window seat" and about that time he started working towards creating Mistwalker. If memory serves me correct, he founded Mistwalker in 2001, though it didn't become active until 2004.
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AC was an action movie with cool fights on motorcycles and explosions and stuff, it doesn't really need a good plot IMHO.
Exactly, a fanboy snuff film
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