Its odd you say that as though only haters live on the internet... I don't know about the people you hang around with but where I live, I have maybe one friend who can honestly say he's a VII fan and thinks its the greatest FF. Course he's only played VII and X. Most VII lovers I meet have always been people who have never played an RPG before it, and have only played the PS1 generation and up (and they all say the FF series was never as good as VII). In fact, until I came to the internet, I never met a VII fan that has experience past that game alone. Its a two way street my friendOriginally Posted by Bolivar
As for the CC comment. It reminds me of a Penny Arcade strip,
Penny Arcade! - Consider The Source
I personally feel you need to see both sides of it. AC was okay, CC was ok and I actually really enjoyed Last Order, which frankly had some retcons and continuity errors that I felt were necessary to fix issues I had with the plot personally. Yet I see people and reviewers treating the Compilation of VII as if it were the Second Coming of Christ. Story is subjective but I find many people including those who say CC is damn near perfect agreeing with me on the faults of the game.
This coming from a guy who challenged fanboys for a thorough explanation as to how someone can relate and feel the cast of FFVI is deep and emotionalThat's exactly your problem - if you're expecting everyone to have logical, rational arguments for liking something, you're going to miss what appreciation is about to begin with. It comes from feeling, the senses, not an observational, data-gathering period followed by a thought process culminating in a thesis, or something like that. I remember a friend of mine holding me accountable because I couldn't come up with a reason off the top of my head for "why" I liked Super Smash Bros. I realized later that it doesn't matter "why" I like SSB, all that matters is that I do, and quite frankly, the "why" is none of his damn business to begin with!Until I came to this forum, I never met a VII fan who could give logical and plausible reasons for liking the game and why one should consider it great.
Actually Bolivar, you would have a very different opinion of me if you just asked the right question. Don't ask me if I liked it cause I will analyze and deconstruct it. If you just asked me if I had fun you would get a surprising answer most of the time. Erhgeiz and CC, did I like them? Not really for various reasons and flaws. Did I have fun playing them? Yes(astonishing I know)
If you notice, I rarely call people on liking a game cause its fun; except on the occasion they sound like something is uber awesome cause it was designed perfectly (like I thought in this thread). If you say its fun that is fine. When you start telling me that it was a deep and wonderful experience cause of (insert over-embellished reason involving either game system, characters, or plot ) and if I disagree with them, I call them on it, I feel that if you give a logical and moving reason you should be able to somewhat explain it. When it comes to mechanics, I do judge it logically but its because its plausible as their really is no way to compare systems with just a "fun factor" cause fun is subjective. You can't really say FFII is less fun than DQV cause that's completely subjective, if they try to explain it through mechanics or perception of story and they can't back it up, I feel you have some faulty reasoning.
I believe that if you like something you should be able to back it up, as to why. I don't really feel its unreasonable and if you don't want to answer you don't have to but don't ever think that makes me obligated to respect your opinion. Besides, in-depth analysis and intellectual conversation concerning different opinions on a subject expands our knowledge and allows us to learn and grow. Despite what you think, I have learned to look at VII more favorably in recent years and I attribute part of it to your personal in-depth analysis on it.
Story is also subjective which is why I have tried my best to never chastise someone for liking a game for its plot, I might tease but I would never come out and say "you are smurfing moron cause that story was terrible!". The thing is, My hobby is writing and thus I look at story differently than some. Bad writing bother me to no end and I'm sorry if a series you like happens to have a lot of it imo. I'm generally surprised you don't notice it yourself at times or that your willing to accept it.
I understand that games can be good cause they are just "fun". I like Rhythm games and Mega Man titles for crying out loud and lets face it, fun factor is all they really have going for them though I could explain mechanics. If you make a statement from an artistic point of view, I feel its fair game to be challenged and discussed. As I've grown older, I see games more from the artistic perspective nowadays, and looking at it as an art form I feel it needs to grow. This is why I am very analytical about it cause I want it to move in the right direction.
*smacks you with Excalibur* That's what I have to say! Bring it onSmacking someone around with the Masamune, then sliding out of their way before they can get back at you is just plain fun. I have two middle fingers for anyone who has a problem with that.
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