Sequels and Innovations

[Bolivar]

Despite what you think, I have learned to look at VII more favorably in recent years and I attribute part of it to your personal in-depth analysis on it.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, isn't that all warm and fuzzy! Seriously, though, I would agree that we've covered alot of good ground on a couple of the games and it's helped me gain a better appreciation.

Its odd you say that as though only haters live on the internet... I don't know about the people you hang around with but where I live, I have maybe one friend who can honestly say he's a VII fan and thinks its the greatest FF. Course he's only played VII and X. Most VII lovers I meet have always been people who have never played an RPG before it, and have only played the PS1 generation and up (and they all say the FF series was never as good as VII). In fact, until I came to the internet, I never met a VII fan that has experience past that game alone. Its a two way street my friend

I'm not quite sure where to go with this one. I want to call BS, not just because this is the internet, but due to your self-admitted desire to create disagreement - even when its fake. But I'll believe you, the only thing I can say is I feel sorry you came up around such a shallow group of people.

Yet I see people and reviewers treating the Compilation of VII as if it were the Second Coming of Christ.

I don't know about that one.

This coming from a guy who challenged fanboys for a thorough explanation as to how someone can relate and feel the cast of FFVI is deep and emotional

I only asked for it because FFVI internet-fanboys are always going around bashing VII for "logical" reasons, and propping up VI with the same appeal to "critical reasoning". It is constantly put forth that VI is "deep". I was only asking "what is deep about the game"? If they didn't go down the route, I wouldn't have to expose them for it.

If you just asked me if I had fun you would get a surprising answer most of the time. Erhgeiz and CC, did I like them? Not really for various reasons and flaws. Did I have fun playing them? Yes (astonishing I know)

Woah, woah, woah. It's astonishing because you just said, in the simplest terms possible, that you do not like games you have fun with. Does your two-way lesson apply here also? Do you like games you don't have fun playing? It's astonishing because it's either self-defeating logic, or just plain weird...

You can't really say FFII is less fun than DQV cause that's completely subjective, if they try to explain it through mechanics or perception of story and they can't back it up, I feel you have some faulty reasoning.

Yes, actually you can say FFII is less fun than DQV, not sure what the problem is there. If someone wants to cite that as to why they feel the game is better, hell, I'd place alot more credibility on that than the absurd, emotional, extreme, problematic "critical reasoning" that gets brought up in so many threads here.

Bad writing bother me to no end and I'm sorry if a series you like happens to have a lot of it imo. I'm generally surprised you don't notice it yourself at times or that your willing to accept it.

1) "Bad writing bother me to no end" is ironic.

2) They're video games! If I want good writing, I pick up Goethe, Garcia-Marquez, Steinbeck, Puzo, Tolstoy! If I want to zone out and play a video game that's going to bring me into a story using visuals and music, I'll pick up my beloved FFX. Chea!

If you make a statement from an artistic point of view, I feel its fair game to be challenged and discussed.

"Rationality has made man more savage than any beast."

Nah, I agree with you, it's good to discuss things, it helps us clarify our thoughts better, and it does advance the sake of appreciation. But there's a limit. And at that limit, people begin using emotionally-loaded terms, self-defeating logic, in order to insult people and their beliefs. And that's not cool.