Quantum of Solace

[Ouch!]

I understand your point of pacing and sure, that works for some movies, but QoS is to slow! Here's the plot if you don't believe me, (SPOILER)Bond learns of a secret organization, he travels to Haiti in pursuit of a turned agent, meets up with a chick, saves her, flees somewhere meets some guy and heads to South America and sleeps with one chick, meets chick #1 and confusing things happen, guy he meets dies. Ends up in the desert, explosions, omg its the climax already!?! Movie's primary villains are all killed. What's next, a bid to destroy all the soda's in Europe and sell it to them at an outrageous price?

Your synopsis shows exactly how necessary seeing Casino Royale is to QoS's plot. That's all I'll say regarding that.

As far as QoS not being a "good Bond movie." I think the problem here is that I think Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace are two of the few examples of good Bond movies. What most people seem to think makes a Bond movie a Bond movie are the same things that tend to make me think they're nothing more than mediocre spy movies.

[MadeOfApples]

Last night, I decided to rewatch Casino Royale.

Now, whenever I think of James Bond, I think of a suave secret agent who has all the coolest gizmos, fancy vehicles, and one-liners to make every male on this planet envious. Throw in some good looking women, decent action, and interesting stuntwork. You're bound to have an entertainting film. Cheesy at worse but always fun. A few of the films were downright awesome to watch.

So we have Casino Royale. Which opens with James Bond drowning a man in the toliet. Rewatching that scene alone made me instantly forget about the Bond of yesteryear and reminded me that this IS James Bond. Hes gritty, overly aggressive, and has a take-no-prisioner attitude. This is the beginning of Bond. This is before he matured into the spy we previously saw.

And it worked beautifully in Casino Royale. It didn't help that it kept all those things we expected a Bond film to have while giving us a fantastic chase scene in the beginning of the film (and I just love how it ends with Bond destroying the embassy) and an exciting climax.

After watching Casino Royale again, I decided to download a cam version of QoS. The second time through, I did enjoy the film a bit more. I still missed the typical Bond moments and it did suffer from middle-movie sydrome (Nothing really happens) but it was a lot more enjoyable the second time.

You just need to forget about the past Bond films. Just watch Casino Royale until the idea of a ruthless Bond sticks and than re-watch QoS. Still not a film worth paying $10 to see but I liked it better a second time.

[edczxcvbnm]

WHOA! I forgot about this thread and have some comments on everything.

Bond slept with both main girls in Tomorrow Never Dies. Both Teri Hatcher and the Chinese girl.

Okay. I didn't consider Teri Hatcher the main girl and I wasn't sure of the Chinese girl. I couldn't remember if anything went down after it all went down XD

edczxcvbnm You still miss the point that this movie had one hellva weak plot. Not just that, he slept with one chick, I mean What the fu/k!!!!!????!!!! What other Bond film is there where he sleeps with one chick (except Her Majesty's secret service, and even then I'm not sure about that film)?

I don't consider it to be a weak plot in the least. I do however consider this movie to be Acts IV and V of Casio Royale. The bulk of the movie is just the means by which Bond will find what he is looking for. He is ordered to go out and do this mission but he is clouded by his want for revenge and becomes reckless. The continue to build on the theme of trust and inexperience in this movie and at the end we finally get the classic Bond shooting the screen. Signifying that he has finally become Bond.

I would say all the Dominic Greene stuff is actually the secondary story going on, while the personal struggles of Bond is the actual story. But it is told more through his actions rather than dialog. It is a revenge story after all.

As it has been said, seeing Casino Royale is practically a must before seeing this movie. This one continues literally hours after Casino Royale ended.

Maybe it is that I view this movie differently and looked for different things because I was looking for more of a conclusion to the the plot threads left open by Casino Royale.

If I recall correctly, he didn't sleep with the main girl in Tomorrow Never Dies either.

I wouldn't have a problem with the shaky cam thing if it was done in a way that I can tell what the hell is going on. I never get disoreiented when watching Bourne but in this movie it was hard to tell exactly what was going on during the boat chase scene for example.

I think this is a case of just bad directing more than peoples problem with shaky cam techniques.

That's funny because the last two Bourne movies made it difficult for me to figure out what was going on in some of the action scenes, but I had no trouble with Quantum of Solace.

Hilarious XD Overall, curse the shaky camera. I prefer the style employed by Martin Campbell from Casino Royale and Goldeneye. Those fight scenes had a nice steady camera and it was easy to tell what was going on with the action. The camera was steady and everything even in tight areas such as the stair well.

Revealing information a bit at a time is fine for a TV show where you can tune in every week, but when you have 3-4 movies max to tell a story and they come years apart it is sort of disappointing to not get more than what we learned in Quantum. If this movie had more of the traditional Bond elements than it did I would probably not be as disappointed in this aspect of it. How could we not have any input from Q branch, for example?

There was no input from Q branch here for the same reasons as there was none in Casino Royale. The series has gone in a newer(yet older) direction. Taking more of the elements from the original books rather than the mis-adventures of Roger Moore. Might Q Branch come up at some point later on? Maybe, but I wouldn't expect it to be the same as it had been in the past either.

Also, just like Q Branch, if you are looking for more traditional Bond elements in future films then I think you will continue to be disappointed. I don't think they are going to make a comeback.

We shall see how the next movie turns out. It will probably be targeted for 2 years from now and no doubt it will deal with Quantum(I really wish they wouldn't have used this name for the organization) but I wonder how far they will go in trying to take it down and I wonder if they will reveal what the goals of the organization are. There is a lot to go off of there and I hope they keep the theme of trust going. Bond is still a bit new and still might not have the best judgment and then there is the issue of who the governments will trust as the greater interests of the country could become more relevant and blah blah blah rambling at this point XD

[krissy]

i really liked this film

not backreading

it was super fun

it's not casino royale but not many things can be

[Depression Moon]

That new bond girl was hot! I don't know what she is, she looked like a combo of hispanic and arab to me, but whoo! Well as for the movie I liked it alot, but the only gripe I had was that the movie was a bit short and I really didn't understand where the title of the moviemcame from, well I guess I just have to watch it again and pay more attention, will Daniel Craig doing anymore Bonding?

[Tifa's Real Lover(really]

big bond fan, saw this movie, was disappointed casino royale was way better, wished bond was on a mission rather than on his own


i also felt the movie lacked music, its not a bond movie without good music in every scene

[edczxcvbnm]

That new bond girl was hot! I don't know what she is, she looked like a combo of hispanic and arab to me, but whoo! Well as for the movie I liked it alot, but the only gripe I had was that the movie was a bit short and I really didn't understand where the title of the moviemcame from, well I guess I just have to watch it again and pay more attention, will Daniel Craig doing anymore Bonding?

The name of the movie ties into the plot not with the organization but the final scene of the movie when Bond finally finds that small bit of solace concerning Vesper.