About the nature of the world of ffxii

[Future Esthar]

The world of ffxii is a very special world.
It is a world haunted by the Ocurria.
We all know how powerful the Ocurria are.
They are even seen as gods.
I wanna to suggest they are powerful enough to split time.
Since it is no problem to Square to repeat the themes of their games I would go as far as to suggest that:
(take your seatbelts)
(take your seatbelts)
(take your seatbelts)
(take your seatbelts.....)
(take your seatbelts.....1)
(take your seatbelts....2)
(take your seatbelts....3)

KERWON+PURVAMA=ORDALIA+VALENDIA ON THE FUTURE.

As simple as that.

It´s a future in a timeline where the Bahamut crashed Rabanastre.

I wanna to provide evidence but just wanna to give you time to think about this theory.

[demondude]

Good lord, no.

[Bolivar]

Yes!

[Wolf Kanno]

Hate to burst your bubble but Kerwon and Purvama cannot be Ordalia and Valendia.

Mostly cause both regions already exist in XII's time and you visit one of them. Ordalia is to the west of where XII takes place and is occupied by the military state of Rozarria. Valendia is the region where Archades is located (and Lea Monde ) while Kerwon is Rabanastre and most of where XII takes place. Purvama is sealed at this time but but regions like Bhujerba suggest that floating islands are rather common in this universe.

Besides, if the Occuria could manipulate time and space, then how could destroying their Nethicite "break men from the shackles of oppression" by their rule?

[qwertysaur]

The Galtaen Peninsula (Where Dalmasca is) Is part of Ordalia.

[crazybayman]

OH MYLANTA

[Future Esthar]

Because the Occurria aren´t really Gods.

[Ashelia B'nargin Dalmasca]

uh huh.... well im stumped! =D The Occurria are like the Fath to me from Final Fantasy X- X2 and I still dun fully understand what their purpose was, so all is lost! x3

[Wolf Kanno]

The Galtaen Peninsula (Where Dalmasca is) Is part of Ordalia.

Oops, forgot that... :sweatdrop:

Because the Occurria aren´t really Gods.

That's kind of a vague retort. Could you explain you reasoning?

uh huh.... well im stumped! =D The Occurria are like the Fath to me from Final Fantasy X- X2 and I still dun fully understand what their purpose was, so all is lost! x3

The Occurians are a mystery I'm afraid. (SPOILER)Their origins are unknown but their role is that of a manipulator of the lower races. They basically use their near immortality and advanced knowledge to shape history and the fates of those who live in Ivalice. The Dynast-King was the last pawn of the Occurians who was granted power over the god-like nethicite in order to conquer the Galtean region and create the Galtean Alliance. The Occurian Venat chose to expose the Occurians and their secrets to Dr. Cid and Lord Vayne. This was how Archades learned to create manufacted nethicite (artificial nethicite).

The Occurians tried to manipulate Lady Ashe into following in her ancestors (Dynast-King) steps. They were going to give her nethicite from the Sun-Cryst; in order for her to use it to destroy Archades and the traitor Venat. The ghost of Rassler that is seen occasionally is an illusion created by the Occurians in order to fuel Lady Ashe's anger and desire to avenge her kingdom.

[Future Esthar]

They aren´t Gods but the soul of an evil man that lives on Ashe´s time and planned ahead his future Godliness(a.k.a the true villain of FFXII).
They aren´t really separate entities but different instances of the same entity.This is a nethicite effect.They aren´t omnipresent ever.They need mist (solified or gasified) to walk in the world(and through time).This is seen on the many "Rasler" appearances.

[trancekuja]

Do you think that SE should have provided more details on some aspects of the XII , Occurria for example? I had a feeling few times during my gameplay that SE wasn't able to fit in all the details they wanted and that some dialogs ended too early...

[sir helix]

Ivalice gives me a friggen head ache, to many games in the same universe with to many stories that never intertwine...

[Wolf Kanno]

They aren´t Gods but the soul of an evil man that lives on Ashe´s time and planned ahead his future Godliness(a.k.a the true villain of FFXII).
They aren´t really separate entities but different instances of the same entity.This is a nethicite effect.They aren´t omnipresent ever.They need mist (solified or gasified) to walk in the world(and through time).This is seen on the many "Rasler" appearances.

I'm intrigued to hear who this "evil man" is and how you came up with this theory.

Even the Ultimania stated very little on the Occurians only mentioning two by name. I know they are not "true gods" but I feel if they had the time/space manipulation power, they would never have had any problems with Venat or need of Lady Ashe. The plot kinda falls apart if they had powers that reach into those realms.

Do you think that SE should have provided more details on some aspects of the XII , Occurria for example? I had a feeling few times during my gameplay that SE wasn't able to fit in all the details they wanted and that some dialogs ended too early...

Its true XII was rushed and pretty ambitious. The main writer said he had some issues with the team agreeing about the course of the story and I feel its most apparent in the end. The Ultimania explains a few things better but it hardly adds anything; except it actually explains Basch and Noah's falling out.

I feel the major plot issue is really how much Lord Vayne changes between sending Gabranth to the Pharos to the actual Last Dungeon. Before, Vayne seemed like an anti-hero and almost a suffering martyr for his high goals but by the last dungeon he suddenly transforms into your usual megalomaniac with a god complex. The Ultimania describes his true personality being the former, as an idealist fighting for his brother and humanity.

[Moon Rabbits]

The plot kinda falls apart if they had powers that reach into those realms.

No, the plot completely falls apart if the Occurians could control time. If they could control time, then the Esper revolt / failage of the Garif / King Raithwall business wouldn't've even happened.

Theory over.

edit: Oh yeah, and they could, I don't know, go back in time and kill Venat.

[Future Esthar]

I said the Gods were the same entity which makes it obvious that Venat and Gerugen are the same entity.That thing about fighting the Gods was crap to manipulate humans (and leading Cid to the CREATION of DEIFIED nethicite using magicite).

I know they are not "true gods" but I feel if they had the time/space manipulation power, they would never have had any problems with Venat or need of Lady Ashe. The plot kinda falls apart if they had powers that reach into those realms.

Which part of "Occurians need gasified mist and solified mist(nethicite) to have powers and stay on the world" you didn´t read?