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    Quote Originally Posted by Azar View Post
    Guess i didn't read what you said very closely, but what I meant was that you can feel free to do frontsite work whenever. There's nothing really stopping us from generating and posting new content. We do still have that much access.
    I don't find that it is a problem with the process of posting my work; I am generating content when I can (and if I get my hands on Re:CoM, that'll be the next thing). I don't feel comfortable with posting information without cross-checking it with other published sources of information and eliminating as many errors as I can. But, with so many other variables to be thrown around, one can't help but feel trapped by a lack of tools necessary to ensure that nothing else gets in my way. Owners or administrative access, included.

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    Actually,

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    Can you produce stats showing the amount of posts in the General Forums as a whole in 2006 and 2008, and again for the Final Fantasy forums as a whole? Then maybe show how they've decreased as a percentage. ie posting levels in the Generals was at 80% of its 2006 level.

    Some people are saying that General is the problem, with all the in jokes and the contests/mafia and whatnot, whereas some are saying it's because Final Fantasy has gone skullskullskullskull.

    Don't get me wrong, I suspect that activity in both has decreased. But it'd be good to know which one's leaking the most, and that hole can be plugged up first.

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    You wouldn't happen to be able to pull up traffic and hit stats, as well, would you? It is my suspicion that the forums and frontsite problems are more related than we would like to admit. If we know that they are, we can start dealing with problems in a systematic manner without a fear of neglect or dispute.

    As long as we have the numbers to back it up, we can do whatever skullskullskullskull we want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotic View Post
    You want to fix the forums? Easy. What does everyone use the internet for? Porn.

    We add a new forum. Final Fantasy hentai.

    Activity doubled.

    No, really.
    But then you'd have to start charging for the site because the ad revenue would disappear due to ToS violations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miriel View Post
    Then we'll buy the site for like $100!
    It's not worth much more than that right now. The site probably isn't making any money at all currently. It's a fixer-upper.

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    So I looked at the Fool's Gold thread again because the linkbacks at the bottom of the page are going crazy (hi to you too dude) and some guy there called Edman (hi. I hope you don't mind me posting your posts, but people will be too lazy to go to FG to see them and I think they are worth reading) had this to say.
    Quote Originally Posted by edman
    haha, eyesonff. A year ago I asked the owners if they'd sell it. Sure. The price tag - $100,000. I lol'd. I don't think they'd ask for that now, but it would probably still be something ridiculous.

    The problem of eyesonff is that every owner has grossly overestimated its worth. When Cid sold it for $25k, he and the new owner overestimated how much its worth. When the current owners now bought it for I think around $33k if memory doesn't fail me, they hugely overestimated how much its worth. It all looks so good on paper - lots of pageviews, lots of posts, big ass database. It just appears under monetized. Then you realize
    1) All those pageviews come from the same people loading forum pages over and over
    2) Most of the posts are just spam
    2) Those who are real visitors are there to find content about a game they have already bought. They have no intention to buy anything or click on your ads.

    When I contacted them, the site was already making smurf all money. When you subtract the server costs, it was making maybe $100 - $200 per month. Since then the situation in the video game website niche has deteriorated dramatically. Ringtones are making a lot lot less money (3-4 times less), and CPM ads are paying about 2 times less (there is now a slight pre-xmas increase, but January is going to be brutal). Additionally, pageviews have gone down 50% (from 1,132,000 in 07.2007 to 566,000 in 11.2008). The site received only 56,000 unique visitors in November. The way things currently stand, I'd say it isn't making any money at all. Even if it was getting traffic, scale doesn't help - I own a site that much larger than EoFF in a similar niche, and its also making close to smurf all money.

    In line with that, I'd say its worth pretty much smurf all. Somebody will probably pay $10k for it because he has no idea that there is no money to be made.

    It is unlikely the owners will invest further in such a site to make it come out of nothingness. Usually people like these who buy sites expect the websites to make money just like that. They are not webmasters, they don't run websites. They won't risk making a further loss by investing time and money in a website that has already made them a huge loss that they know deep within, but would never publicly admit. There isn't a whole lot going for it anyway - the site hasn't been updated for half a year, its completely missing the FF13 hype (doesn't have a section for the game at all), and it only ranks for very few keywords, so it doesn't have much SE love either. Even if it was heavily updated, it is unclear whether fortunes could be reversed.

    It is unlikely the owners will sell it to anyone competent, because anyone competent knows exactly how much the site is actually worth, which is not a whole lot, maybe $5-$10k. The owners will not sell for that little, they will rather choose to hold on until its too late, or dump it on someone who is clueless.

    So yeah, I'd say its pretty doomed, because it needs a full time webmaster to get it back off the ground. It cannot be done without an owner participating.
    Quote Originally Posted by edman
    As for suggestions made in that thread:

    1) Covering more games than FF is suicide. You can't even cover Final Fantasy 100%. You'll be horribly overstretched. It will just tire out active people and activity will go down even faster.

    2) Creating a spin-off forum is useless. You'll never be even close as active as EoFF is.

    3) Going newbie hunting is a waste of time. You'll get maybe a few dozen new members that will not make any impact on the overall situation.

    4) Blaming staff is idiotic. Staff are not Gods, they cannot create life, and they cannot create forum activity. It just doesn't work that way. A few staff members can spam their way into increasing post counts (Aaron?), but that's about it.

    5) Logged in users appear to not have any ads... so I don't know how blaming it on the ads works out?

    The only thing you can do is to cover final fantasy, and do it well. Looks at the FAQs and the boards at gamefaqs, they are miles ahead of any final fantasy site. Good coverage for all FF games is going to get better ranking pages on Google and increase general popularity of the site. That will get more traffic, which will get more members. That is the only way out of this mess. But as I said, it literally requires a full time webmaster to run things.
    Interesting to see an outside perspective. The guy clearly knows his stuff.

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    I think edman's analysis is spot on.
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    I would have to agree. The simple fact of the matter (in my first post) is that we were screwed when Cid sold the site. Plain and simple.

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    I don't understand how Sean being the owner would make things any different in terms of activity.

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    http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fan...-revealed.html

    We already have at least some new information. Why is it just sitting around in the forum instead of on the front site.

    Or even things about Dissidia.

    Was the front site forgotten until now?
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    More because we ask people for help and the response is:

    "Site Staff are lazy"

    We are actually pissed off with it you know. Also one small piece of content really doesn't make up a whole section.

    Edit: Also if the front site was forgotten would have we spent 2 months overhauling the look and feel?
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    I think people are more bitter and disheartened about Cid being gone than anything else. I agree with Del, him being gone hasn't changed that much.

    Also, everyone should stop being snippy with each other. That doesn't solve anything. lololol bitterness i'm so cool and jaded posts don't help. Saying the staff aren't doing anything doesn't help either. And whining about the new owners doesn't help either, unless you're willing to take a loan out on 20K and buy the site. It's so easy to point fingers. But until you actually do something? It's just anti-productive, silly sallies. xD

    I'll say it again, everyone contributing just one relevant thread a day and trying to post in forums they usually don't post in (I've been trying to do this lately, and it's actually spurring my love for Final Fantasy again, I'm gonna play it some this vacation again!) is a good way to contribute. It's good to search for a big solution to the big problem, but while we're searching, that doesn't just mean we should just sit around! =O
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del Murder View Post
    I don't understand how Sean being the owner would make things any different in terms of activity.
    The decline in posting began when he sold the site. Before then, the site was a fan-based creation, and people could expect that. However, it has since turned into a cash crop, and expectations are wildly different. Though it has no direct effect on posting, what the sale of the site did was that it caused a whole bunch of problems to start floating in. Okay, so he didn't have the time or the money to support the place anymore, but not hanging onto this place caused more problems than not.

    Neglect or mistreatment by the new owners? Check.
    Staffers whose work was treated as though they were mandated as opposed to friendly contributions? Check.
    A radical shift in expectations? Check.

    I'm not trying to place blame on the man; how could one be expected to pay for something with nothing besides Monopoly money and to want to move on? Cid is a decent person, but the actual action of selling the site is what doomed us. It's put us in a downward spiral, and it is not looking bright at the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavrobel View Post
    Neglect or mistreatment by the new owners? Check.
    Staffers whose work was treated as though they were mandated as opposed to friendly contributions? Check.
    A radical shift in expectations? Check.
    Cid didn't really do anything in the last couple of years he was the owner.
    Who specifically treated you that way?
    What were the expectations before and what were the changes?

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