Eyes on Final Fantasy: Posting Activity History

[XxSephirothxX]

I'm pretty sure this decline is due to a number of factors. The ads are obtrusive. Final Fantasy is not as popular as it once was. There are many more FF sites out there than there used to be. Frontsites with forums are going out of style and being replaced with blogs. Not sure if we can do anything about most of those, but maybe you all have suggestions.

YOU STOLE MY WORDS

[Baloki]

Actually SS have been discussing this for longer then you guys since we've discussed it in every thread since the first site sale. Most Site Staff threads go as follows now:

1. Really good idea posted.
2. Really good follow ups.
3. Site Staff become motivated and ready to leap into action.
4. No-one can get hold of the owners for permission.
5. Site Staff become demotivated with each and every post and following attempt to contact owners to take action.
6. Site Staff give up, have a general agreement that trying to help EoFF is becoming a waste of time and how it's unfair that the people who put lots of effort into the site get no reward from the people making money off it.
7. Someone brings up that Black Orb still hasn't been paid for his ace banner work.
8. Everyone gives up and the thread disappears into the darkness.
9. (Optional) If Baloki, o_O, Azar or Samuraid are motivated they just carry out the change anyways and see if anyone notices.

I think the biggest version of step 9 was when I just re-did the front site design xD Finishing it however seems pointless as a) the owners don't care and b) the members don't care...

[demondude]

I fully back the idea to switch forum. The idea to drive this place to the ground is also good, why don't the mods ban everybody for like, two weeks?

[Flying Mullet]

EoFF needs to start selling Viagra?

Apparently a third of our male memberbase needs it.

[Goldenboko]

An exodus wouldn't solve the problem.

It might solve a problem, but not the problem.

Great job posting what we just said.

Owner change is needed. Then we need to change the site overall (community for Role-playing games V. FF site). Discussing it further is futile in my opinion, it's what has to be done, and plans for that should be made. Anything else isn't going to start to solve the problems upon problems the site has.

[Tavrobel]

EoFF needs to start selling Viagra?

Apparently a third of our male memberbase needs it.

It'll save us the trouble of convincing members of the fairer sex to spend time with us. Diff EQ girl has been quite upset with me lately.

I think we should just do Baloki's Step 9 more often. The owners don't care anyways, so really, if they start raising a storm about it, just tell them "our interests are in the interest of your money," they'll back off, and we can do whatever we want. Alternatively, we can set it up so that only new members and the owners see the Ads, but not anyone else who is logged in, which has been discussed once before, but not terribly explored. I'll ask Sam about it when he gets back when the summoning is complete.

[XxSephirothxX]

Some random responses

- Demon Dude read a newspaper? I'm impressed.

-Tavrobel: What makes you think they aren't getting decent money off the ads and that site traffic is very low? If that was the case, I don't feel like they would leave the site as-is to languish. Even when I stopped doing news updates, we were still in some basic contact with them, and I believe they were making pretty good money off the ads.

-Getting some "insider" source at Square Enix is very improbable. It's not the kind of thing you get from emailing the company and asking nicely. You gotta know somebody who knows somebody, and the few somebodys I know have nothing to do with Square Enix. And even then, why would anyone give exclusive information to a ty fansite?

-BoB always seems to have a vB license, but starting the forum over wouldn't be a solution, as Psychotic said. It'll just be the hardcore few moving over and doing what we do here.

-I think driving the site into the ground is one of the more feasible suggestions, but as has been mentioned, if ads gives them money nothing we do will likely have any effect.

-The once-mighty EoFF, reduced to a bustling Facebook group!

-MILF: I can see us being an obstacle at times However, I would say that the general trend at EoFF has been one towards flexibility: way, way fewer people get banned and threads get closed than in the past. Of course, it's less active, too, but I think that as a whole we are more forgiving (ie care less).

-Tav: you and Momiji are the new site staffers who wanted to MAKE BIG HAPPEN and you are free to enact the "just do it" step anytime you feel like it. Make stuff happpen, yo.

[Flying Mullet]

-MILF: I can see us being an obstacle at times However, I would say that the general trend at EoFF has been one towards flexibility: way, way fewer people get banned and threads get closed than in the past. Of course, it's less active, too, but I think that as a whole we are more forgiving (ie care less).

One thing I wanted to point out here is that a lot of the member base has this expectation that the staffers are supposed to do all of the work and entertain everyone. This is everyone's forum and site. If you want to see fun stuff happen, then make a thread in private feedback asking about it. A lot of the more interesting events, contests and other such things were conceived of, created and run by regular members that wanted to make something fun and entertaining.

[Tavrobel]

-Tavrobel: What makes you think they aren't getting decent money off the ads and that site traffic is very low? If that was the case, I don't feel like they would leave the site as-is to languish. Even when I stopped doing news updates, we were still in some basic contact with them, and I believe they were making pretty good money off the ads.

Compared to before, I definitely think that traffic has declined, or else just about everything else wouldn't be declining, either.

However, I never said that they weren't making decent money; clearly they are (at least, to their definitions of "decent") enough to continue ignoring us. I was using the "relevant to interests" as an excuse to do whatever we want. Just convince them, if (and only if) the owners start complaining about our initiatives. The goals of the community are quite the same, when reduced down: we want this site to stick around, and so do the owners. Different motivations, perhaps, but the goal is the same, and that justifies the means to which we acquire self-preservation.

-Tav: you and Momiji are the new site staffers who wanted to MAKE BIG HAPPEN and you are free to enact the "just do it" step anytime you feel like it. Make stuff happpen, yo.

Woah, who said I was going to do it by helping the forums? Not my problem. I'm here for the frontsite. My concerns are for the frontsite, and my hands are tied by the corporate shindig.

All I need is a plastic bag, three bottles of vodka, Diff EQ girl, strategy guides for all of the games we have not yet covered, a wireless keyboard, and a 52 inch screen monitor, and I'll show you what needs to be done. And a laser pointer, because then I can point to it. I'll even not ask for a mouse, because, frankly, you don't need it to have a computer run.

[Flying Mullet]

If we were to take this forum/site in a more social networking direction to try and evolve and keep up with the times, what features would people like to see implemented?

[Tama2]

I still think the youtube idea wasn't too terrible.

[XxSephirothxX]

Woah, who said I was going to do it by helping the forums? Not my problem. I'm here for the frontsite. My concerns are for the frontsite, and my hands are tied by the corporate shindig.

All I need is a plastic bag, three bottles of vodka, Diff EQ girl, strategy guides for all of the games we have not yet covered, a wireless keyboard, and a 52 inch screen monitor, and I'll show you what needs to be done. And a laser pointer, because then I can point to it. I'll even not ask for a mouse, because, frankly, you don't need it to have a computer run.

Guess i didn't read what you said very closely, but what I meant was that you can feel free to do frontsite work whenever. There's nothing really stopping us from generating and posting new content. We do still have that much access.

[Marshall Banana]

I still think the youtube idea wasn't too terrible.

Video contest! =O

[Tama2]

I still think the youtube idea wasn't too terrible.

Video contest! =O

I know, right!?

[Psychotic]

You want to fix the forums? Easy. What does everyone use the internet for? Porn.

We add a new forum. Final Fantasy hentai.

Activity doubled.

No, really.