FE´s unique theory

[Tavrobel]

Is Vegnagun from x-2?

But no.My theory is not disproofed because we never fought "Bevelle"´s machines(that little ones that throws rocks and stumps were not created on "Bevelle") on ffx.

The ones we fought are the ones in ruins.They were created on the city submerged on the mooflow.

Which led me to the question.Who destroyed these?Sin?

Oh,they were able to beat all of zanarkand´s aeons (including the final one) and can´t defeat a stupid sea monster (which Yuna´s aeons defeat easily)?

Yes, it is.

You will in FFX-2, although, to be perfectly fair, FFX-2 does introduce a severe difficulty drop, so I can understand how one could say that Bevelle's 1000 year-old technology is still weaker than their current stuff, stats-wise. But that would ignore in-game mechanics.

The one on the Moonflow? That wasn't Bevelle's at all. That was an Al Bhed contraption piloted by Rikku for the sake of a kidnapping attempt on Yuna. You can check the script of the conversation she has with Tidus after you defeat it to confirm; she yells at him for blowing up her craft.

Seeing as how Sin is a big giant thing with what is verifiably an invincibility shield, yes, it wouldn't be an unsafe assumption to say that Sin destroyed the city under the Moonflow.

It would behoove you to remember that the technology after 1000 years would have taken a downgrade. Unlike the old Bevelle, the current city did not pour all of their effort into raising a mechanical army. Additionally, the capabilities of a Summon are tied in direct link to the Summoner; this also implies that if the Summoner dies, the Summon will dissipate. Why blast your way with mortars and shells into a meat tank made of pyreflies that can instantly be called again, when you can kill the source, instead?

Also, perhaps some clarification on the timeline would help. Bevelle and Zanarkand started some war together about who knows what. Bevelle was winning at the time; Bevelle was actually winning the whole time. This fact is implied in FFX and it is confirmed in FFX-2. Sin was summoned at the end of the war, after Zanarkand had been beaten into the ground. It's a little hard to restock on Summoners, but what you can do is restock on machine parts. Sin was summoned at the end of the war, after Zanarkand had already lost. It was a last ditch effort on Yu Yevon's part to have a moral victory, if not a physical one.

[Future Esthar]

What do I mean by the words in quotes?
Let me give you two hints :

Hint 1-Zanarkand was destroyed 1000 years ago.Recently Sin destroyed "Zanarkand".Tidus and Jecht came from "Zanarkand".
Hint 2-Mica and Seymour(the "maesters") are much like Jecht and Tidus.

Sin was summoned at the end of the war, after Zanarkand had already lost. It was a last ditch effort on Yu Yevon's part to have a moral victory, if not a physical one.

THAT´S what you think.But if you can understand the hints you will understand the words in quotes and what I have been saying so hard.

[Tavrobel]

Hint 1-Zanarkand was destroyed 1000 years ago.Recently Sin destroyed "Zanarkand".Tidus and Jecht came from "Zanarkand".

Hint 2-Mica and Seymour(the "maesters") are much like Jecht and Tidus.

Sin was summoned at the end of the war, after Zanarkand had already lost. It was a last ditch effort on Yu Yevon's part to have a moral victory, if not a physical one.

THAT´S what you think.But if you can understand the hints you will understand the words in quotes and what I have been saying so hard.

Dream Zanarkand. The FFX Ultimania Guide tells us that DZ has a physical location in Spira, which is managed by the Fayth. This is why Tidus disappears at the end. This would not have happened if Tidus really were from the past.

No, they're just plain dead. The title of "Maester" is that for a religious leader. Not sure how much more clearly that could've gotten.

That's what Maechen thinks too. You can go check the script of the game. Nothing more solid than the source itself. Seriously. Go visit this page, and jump down to Maechen's stuff. If you still don't believe me, play FFX-2. It's even more strongly implied if you pan out the timelines according to who's-his-face and what's-her-name.

[champagne supernova]

Dream Zanarkand. The FFX Ultimania Guide tells us that DZ has a physical location in Spira, which is managed by the Fayth.

I always thought that Dream Zanarkand was sort of in Sin. So it does have a physical location? I know it's a bit silly arguing against the Ultimania, but isn't that pushing it a bit? Seeing that you have an airship and can go everywhere in the world, you would probably come across it. Silly Square-Enix.

[Tavrobel]

Dream Zanarkand. The FFX Ultimania Guide tells us that DZ has a physical location in Spira, which is managed by the Fayth.

I always thought that Dream Zanarkand was sort of in Sin. So it does have a physical location? I know it's a bit silly arguing against the Ultimania, but isn't that pushing it a bit? Seeing that you have an airship and can go everywhere in the world, you would probably come across it. Silly Square-Enix.

I would've thought so, too, but it was far removed enough from the world so that no one could interfere with it. In any case, Yu Yevon also has the power of approval; he can reset the dreams as he wishes, just in case something goes horribly wrong. However, he would still have to notice that anything was wrong. For example, Jecht swam out far enough into the sea to come across Sin by accident that first time. Auron and Jecht more or less assaulted DZ in order to bring out Tidus in the second case.

Let's not forget that in-game mechanics are not the same as literary license. Spira's map does not show it as being a sphere, even though we see that it is part of a planetary system.

[Future Esthar]

I was not talking about the machine our characters taked below the moonflow but the city.

EXPLANATION OF THE QUOTES:

My theory is this-Yu Yevon didn´t summon Sin as a last stand against Bevelle.
Yu summoned a dream of Bevelle and of the machines to attack Zanarkand.Because he is a bad guy with world domination goals,not a hero as he pretends.He starts by summoning aeons to destroy Bevelle and the worlds machines.This was done without the knowledge of the Zanarkanders.
Therefore he summons aeons in the form of Dreams(I don´t know the exact details of the process but is the same that happens to Dream Zanarkand).
So basically the Bevelle we see is a summoned dream along with the machines,some maesters and maybe some monks.
Afterwards these dreams destroyed Zanarkand and Yu convinced the faith to summon a dream.Dream Zanarkand.At this time people didn´t know they were battling aeons.
Therefore smart guy convinced citizens souls to get revenge and voila.Sin borns.And makes suffer lots of inocent Bevelle survivals.
Not to tell the Bevelle dream which subjugate their will to Yu´s will.

[Tavrobel]

My theory is this-Yu Yevon didn´t summon Sin as a last stand against Bevelle.

Then you are wrong. The game explicitly states that Sin was summoned at the end of the war. I don't even have to respond to each of your theory facets, because each one is debunked in the game.

[Future Esthar]

It isn´t debunked on the game because neither Zanarkand nor Bevelle knows about Yu´s true plans.Which means there isn´t a single person that can tell you the truth.They all think that the machines were real and Yu summoned Sin to revenge and as a last stand(and Dream Zanarkand).

[Tavrobel]

I never thought that I would have to use information from FFX-2 to explain FFX, but Maechen does know the truth. He was alive and present in Zanarkand during the war, so I am more than willing to believe his word and that of the Ultimania.

You just need to stop, dude. You've been done wrong every step of the way. It's okay. We forgive you.

[blackmage_nuke]

If Bevelle was a dream then it shouldve vanished when Yu Yevon was Destroyed, however it's still there in X-2.

[Future Esthar]

I can go further and theorize that the monster we see in the end is not Yu Yevon.I think I know were he is.He is desguised.

Being on the war don´t make people know Yu´s plans.They were on the war but thought the machines were real.One can not tell just by looking at them(they imitate the machines).

I think I am gonna by FFX-2 online because I am sick of looking for it in shops for nothing.Not even those shops with used games have ffx-2(Game,Replay Zone,etc...).Sick.

[Tavrobel]

I can go further and theorize that the monster we see in the end is not Yu Yevon.

Weapon --> Customize --> Sensor

[Future Esthar]

????????????????????
His true identity is in fact a secondary character without a name.He was allways there and we passed through him without noticing.When we find him we note the suspense around his character.The game mechanics reinforce this even letting us see him from afar.One knows there is something odd because of the suspence.He appears only once on the map.In the most odd and curious place we find on FFX.He is there all alone helping travellers.

[Tavrobel]

I'm having serious doubts that you've ever played FFX before.

[Goldenboko]

????????????????????
His true identity is in fact a secondary character without a name.He was allways there and we passed through him without noticing.When we find him we note the suspense around his character.The game mechanics reinforce this even letting us see him from afar.One knows there is something odd because of the suspence.He appears only once on the map.In the most odd and curious place we find on FFX.He is there all alone helping travellers.

...What? I can't believe I'm saying this, I agree with Tavrobel.

Oh this is a fun quote.

It isn´t debunked on the game because neither Zanarkand nor Bevelle knows about Yu´s true plans.Which means there isn´t a single person that can tell you the truth.They all think that the machines were real and Yu summoned Sin to revenge and as a last stand(and Dream Zanarkand).

IT ISN'T DEBUNKED BECAUSE EVERYTHING IN THE GAME IS A LIE! I KNOW BETTER THEN THEM >:0

...lol