It has been argued over time and again, but by standards in our pitiful definitions, Sephiroth does become a 'god'. Now I have multipule reasons for this conclusion, but I do want other opinions as to whether you people believe he does or doesn't.
What are your beliefs in Sephiroth?
Over all, you can include proof from Advent Children, and other Final Fantasy VII games that do not include the main storyline.
I do suppose I should make a poll later in this.
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I doubt he is immortal, so we can't call him a god in that sense. I think Sephiroth tried to become a god by trying to absorb all of the planet's Lifestream in FF7. I think he successfully managed to absorb at least 1/2 of it (the other 1/2 was controlled by Aeris/Aerith I think), and would have succeeded to absorb all of if Meteor had hit. But since he failed, I don't think he is a god.
It can be argued either way. Since there is no god or even godlike figure in the real world for us to actually attribute qualities to, and hence a true definition to what a god would be.
So in short, arguing that is stupid and pointless as everyone is wrong and right at the same time due to lack of a proper definition.
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He said he was trying to be a god, but he fails. He's powerful no doubt, but nothing like a god. I'd like to know why you think he is, so that I could argue this point better, but nope he isn't one.
hmm...well as you can understand this is a sensitive topic talking about "god"
Bahamut u said there is no god in our world to compare it too. Well different religions and even aethiest(people who dont believe in god) see god in different ways!
But for the topic: as an entity or otherwise i dont think sephiroth achieved the level he intended to!
By my definition a god would be incapable of losing a fight. As far as I remember (and it's been a long time since I played FFVII) Sephiroth loses every fight he participates in against Cloud. Therefore he is not a god; he's just a self-absorbed whiner with an Oedipus complex.
That's defamatory. He doesn't want to sleep with his mummy! He's just got abandonment issues. His mummy wasn't there. Doctor Gast left him. He lived a sad sad life.Originally Posted by The Man
Which is true. In the history of mankind there has never been a god or godlike figure to spontaneously appear and walk around, we can't actually even attribute what a god trulu is. Hence this argument is rather pointless, because it's an argument about something that can't be entirely defined.
Sure every religion has their own views as to what a god is, and yet their all wrong because there is nothing tangible with which to attribute their beliefs too, but they could be right because you can't disprove those ideas either.
So as I said the entire argument is moot because everyone is wrong and right at the same time because it's an argument of a fictitious existence that no one knows anything about. It would be like arguing what a Ditrichromasaurus looks like and what qualifies as such despite the fact that it never existed (I made the name up if you couldn't tell).
Also your last bit about even Athiests see god in a different way is wrong. I myself am an Athiest and I don't see god in another way because I don't see god period.
Well that's enough early morning philosophizing for one day.
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Well, if we are basing this on the Western concepts of god (Judeo-Christian, Classical Greek, Norse Mythology etc...) No, he did not, but to be fair, no villain really achieves god-hood in the FF series since all of them were eventually defeated by the very mortal heroes.
Exdeath is probably the only one who was the closest to being a god-like being for the sole fact that he does pretty much destroy all existence with the Void (including himself) and its only with the intervention of the Crystals that the world is made right. The Cloud of Darkness also falls into this category but I feel Its existence is different as the CoD is more like a "force of nature" that only truly acts when certain conditions are met. The CoD is not destroyed cause it really can't be destroyed yet its power is not infinite as the crystals have the power to hold it back.
In the end, Sephiroth is like Kefka or Ultemacia. He transcends his normal existence becoming something more than human but lacks the fundamental qualities that theologians and philosophers would attribute to a god-like being.
Oddly enough, the traditional Crystals are the closest thing to a god to exist in the FF mythos, though they are based more on an eastern concept of god.
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So he says.That's defamatory. He doesn't want to sleep with his mummy!
Kefka came much closer to being a god than Sephiroth did, since Kefka at least absorbed all sources of magical power or some such.
There is only one God.
And his name is Pein.
sephiroth was powerful but i think that was him just using his natrual ability and manuplulating the jenova cells within him. he was going to become a god by obsorbing the entire lifestream thats why he sumoned metor so the planet would gather all the mako in one place, then he was going to use the empty shell of the planet to sail the cosmos like jenova before him repeating the process with all life bearing planets he came across
Well according to my RE Class (about 3 or 4 years ago now) I had a brilliant teacher called Mr Travis, and he said a God has to be all these 3 things
Omnecient - Can do anything
Omnipotent - Knows everything
Omnipresent - Is everywhere
Sephiroth can not be a God because
a) If he were a God he could not be defeated because if he can do anything he could kill Cloud with not much effort, and if he knows everything, he'll know Cloud's moves and stop them happening.
b) He can't be everywhere because he has a physical body and presence. We can all see him.
I could go on for more reasons, but i hope i've given you some food for thought
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a) If he were a God he could not be defeated because if he can do anything he could kill Cloud with not much effort, and if he knows everything, he'll know Cloud's moves and stop them happening.
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All the Norse gods ended up dying. And they were gods. Numerous other Mythologies talk about gods being killed. In fact most other gods from mythologies aren't omniscient and still called gods.
Jesus was a god and he had a physical being. In fact most deities from mythology have physical forms and are gods. Physical bodies and seeing them has nothing to do with it.b) He can't be everywhere because he has a physical body and presence. We can all see him.
Simply sounds like the Judeo-Christian god to me and nothing more.Well according to my RE Class (about 3 or 4 years ago now) I had a brilliant teacher called Mr Travis, and he said a God has to be all these 3 things
Omnecient - Can do anything
Omnipotent - Knows everything
Omnipresent - Is everywhere
Which immediately makes it a false statement for the simple reason that I have stated previously in this thread, that basing an argument on a fictitious unknown existence which can not be observed, measured, or explained and claiming these traits, of something that's never been known to exist, are in fact the true traits that define it is ludicrous.
Also as a point of note, I too had a Philosophy teacher a while back who said (technically it was some Philosopher in the church whose name I forget, but the teacher was adamant on saying it was correct despite it's horrible flaw in logic) that a god would be a perfect being, and the traits of a perfect being would be all knowing, all loving, all powerful, and they would have to exists because a perfect being would be imperfect if they didn't exist.
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Ah mixing philosophy with videogames now? This thread just got interesting lol. As you are Bahamut, i'm an athiest, I was just bringing a point that he couldn't be a God lol.
But to bring your point about the Philosopher you knew, If God is all loving, why are children, who have done nothing wrong in their lives, dying of starvation through poverty etc lol. Lets see the God Squad (not intended as an insult, just to point out) get round that.
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