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    why is it that sora turns into a heartless at the worst possable moment, i was fighting Xigbar and got to the point where he fires off a volley of shots and i tried to counter this by turning into final form and replenishing my health but no, Sora went heartless and i had to redo the fight and lost my final form, and didnt get it back till i replayed the game. so the point of this thread, tell us about playing KH and having a battal plan go wrong at the worst moment.

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    I Hate that same thing happend to me when i was fighting Xigbar.

    Its alright for regular enemies but you cant revert or heal so if you run low on health then you just have to run till your form timer runs out. and it never happens to me unless i really, really, really, really, really, dont want it to.


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    ever go heartless during the the boss fight in port royal wile your fighting the cursed heartless

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    The first time it happened to me I hadnt seen master form yet so i thought maybe my finger slipped and I had turned into master form. Naturally i thought master form really sucked and didnt use it for a while.
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    The worst times when I've gotten Anti-Form were against:

    Xigbar
    Xaldin
    Demyx when he does the "kill 10 water clones in 10 seconds" challenge

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    You've reminded me of another reason why I hate KHII. :gruffi:

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    Yeah, I must admit the same thing happened to me as happened to blackmage_nuke. I thought it was bloody annoying but still tried it out later to double-check what had happened and if - perhaps - the form sucked because I was doing it wrong or something. It's incredibly irritating.
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    Yeah, sorry you guys don't know how to properly use the best form in the game.

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    iv got this down to a science.

    Valor- when you need a drive form and cant use any thing better.
    wisdom- when fighting enemys that either warp around or hit too hard.
    master- when fighting a lot of heartless.
    final- when fighting inside the world that never was
    anti sora- when your fighting a boss where final or wisdom would be nice to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sir helix View Post
    iv got this down to a science.

    Valor- when you need a drive form and cant use any thing better.
    wisdom- when fighting enemys that either warp around or hit too hard.
    master- when fighting a lot of heartless.
    final- when fighting inside the world that never was
    anti sora- when your fighting a boss where final or wisdom would be nice to have.
    You have no idea how the Heartless Form works.

    It's a point system.

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    Actually, no one has ANY idea how Anti-Form works. I've tried testing the point system before, and it still doesn't always work as expected (as in, any fight against Xemnas should almost guarantee an Anti-Form if you've died twice and Continued). I've seen more evidence that you'll get Anti-Form if you get hit during transformation.

    But, of course, no one here knows how to use the best Form in the game, so I'm not surprised that ignorance is widely abounded.

    Then again, Final Form is slightly easier to use.

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    Could you tell us how to use the "best form in the game" then? And why is it the best? Is it just simply the strongest/fastest or whatever? Because I personally find it hella annoying that you can't heal and that it empties your drive counter. Even the strength aspect might not make up for that.
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    Well, if we go by the "get hit" system for activating Anti-Form, then it's free damage and a free heal against the enemy target (and since you got hit, but were healed, it's a wasted attack by the enemy). People often overlook the fact that activating any Form will deal damage based on your Magic stat; it's fairly large modifier, too. As for how it performs in battle, it has much higher movement speed than any of the other Forms (exception: Final Form Glide MAX), the greatest attack speed, the finisher has the largest area of effect (yes, it is even larger than the volume for all of the special attacks for Final Form), and not only that, if you have an enemy locked on, it will bring Sora straight to the enemy. Most attacks even knock an enemy into hit recovery (similar to Guard Break, but the window of opportunity is smaller, while the attacks of Anti-Form fill in the gaps).

    Anti-Form isn't meant to be a Form that prolongs a fight; given all of these stats, it is very much a glass cannon and survival depends on not getting hit. After all, when Sora engages a Heartless, it's more or less dead, so why should it be any different in this case?

    One might argue that Final Form is the best, especially with the convenience factor (and there is no argument against that); once you get it, it just plain outclasses the other Forms. Game breaking. Anti-Form has a much steeper learning curve than anything else, but when properly abused, it deals the most damage, takes the least, and looks the coolest. Half the bloody time, Final Form looks like a bunch of yellow and blue lines put together (assuming Ultima weapon).

    Substantively, how do you use it? Simple: don't get hit, you'll be fine. Of course, learning how not to get hit may be the challenge here, and how not to get hit varies from playstyle to playstyle. I come from a background of a game with various escape tools (actually, it's just one, and it owns everything by virtue of awesome), and large amounts of ways to kill stuff in a brightly colored fashion.

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    I like using the anti form the only thing i dont like about it is if you Do get hit and knocked into critical you cant heal your self with magic or items and you cant revert


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    Y'know, it takes all of KH1 and Riku's Story in CoM to figure out that darkness isn't bad, then SE throws a dark from at you with every drawback possible. >_<

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