Quote Originally Posted by The Turk View Post
You didn't think YOLT was at all cheesy and silly Wolf Kanno? Yes nothing tops Moore's Tarzan yell in Octopussy, but YOLT has it's moments- Bond becoming Japanese being one of the stupidest moments in the series. What about the hallowed-out volcano! Okay it's an awesome lair, but still a bit preposterous like the Moore films you didn't like.
I said the cheesy villains and lair started in the Connery films but what separates YOLT from some of the Moore films was that despite the super lair; the premise was about starting a confrontation between Russia and America, and a criminal organization making profits off the war efforts.

Being made in the height of the Cold War, its cheese factor is outweighed by the suspense of bringing in a real threat that people faced in those days. It worked with the political chaos of the times to tell a gripping story about Cold War politics. Moore's had an asshole with too much time on their hands, even when the Russians were involved they tended to be far more in the background and half the time were just mentioned being involved. They also lacked the political commentary of the earlier films.

The more serious political commentary of the early films made it possible to look past the hallowed out volcano lair, or Odd Job, or Dr. No's "dragon". Like the MGS series, I feel if the main premise is strong and the commentary and symbolism is strong, an audience can swallow the more cheesy and unbelievable aspects of the films and see them for what they were. I felt many of Moore's films lacked this.


Also I don't think the Moore films got worse as they went along, but they go- Good film, bad film, good film, bad film etc.
This is just my opinion so don't take it to heart. My main issue was the lack of Cold War politics and the fact that Moore always seemed like a "hands off Bond" who was more interest in romance than kicking ass. Despite that, he's still more likable than Dalton.

Live and Let Die- A good film and probably my favorite of Moore's films.
TMWTGG- I love the premise but it did have too many silly factors. Still Christopher Reeve is a fave actor of mine.
TSWLM- My other favorite Moore film. One of the few films where Moore actually kicks some ass
Moonraker- Its TSWLM without the charm and it takes place in space instead of the ocean... terrible film.
For Your Eyes Only- I'm having a hard time remembering this one but if memory serves me correct, this is the first film I started to feel Moore was too old for it cause I believe this is the one with the embarrassing scene where he's got the 15 year old trying to seduce him when its obvious by comparing the two that Moore could pass as her grandfather.
Octopussy- I agree, this film is terrible...
A View To A Kill- I like the villain and the premise but the Bond girl has no real reason to be there and Roger is way too old to be doing any of the stunts outside of walking and breathing. It was nice to have the lead from the Avengers in there though.

I am one of the few people that seem to like The World Is Not Enough. It's nowhere near as bad as everyone says. Electra King is one of the most fascinating of all of 007's foes, the plot is complex and is one of those rare Bond's where both James and M become emotionally involved in the story which I liked. Also the opening boat chase is incredible. I think it's very underrated. Not as good as his first two, but a different class to the likes of Die Another Day, Diamonds Are Forever and Octopussy. Okay Denise Richards as a nuclear scientist was bad, but Christmas Jones is not the worst Bond girl ever, that dubious honour would have to go to either Tanya Roberts' Stacy Sutton from AVTAK or Halle Berry's Jinx.
I rank Christmas up there as one of the worse if only cause she was completely unable to be a convincing nuclear physicist. She was a bimbo brought in so guys can ogle over her massive DD's.

I actually disliked seeing Bond get emotionally involved and felt it was a very un-Bond thing to do. He has used woman constantly and this poor girl somehow speaks out to his nurturing side? I just couldn't swallow that, and the other MI6 agent falling for her as well seemed even more unlikely. There was just too many unrealistic factors in the film that kept me from buying it. Not to mention they kill off my Russian dude from Golden Eye... It is still a better film than Die Another Day.

Speaking of underrated the Dalton films are great! I can see your point on Dalton not being too likeable, but you could argue that no other actor has come closer to Ian Fleming's 007 as well as Timothy did. Yes in LTK he isn't too likeable, but I felt he had a lot of charisma in The Living Daylights. Also the stunt-work in these two, TLD especially is phenomenal. I think people just weren't ready for this kind of Bond film until Daniel Craig took over.
I just could not get into LTK, it didn't feel like a real Bond film, it felt like a bad fan-fiction where a pissy James Bond went up against Scarface. Living Day Lights was a good flick but once again, I felt Dalton's performance made it a weaker film than it should have been. I also disagree that Dalton was the closest to Ian Flemming's vision of Bond. Hell even the actress' hated working with him cause he basically played himself in those films.