Fortunately, your examples are not found everywhere in the world when it concerns treatment of lesbians. I've seen more open acceptance of lesbians than I have of gay dudes.
PS. why does everyone in this thread refer to them as homosexual men or homosexual women? lesbians and gay dudes would be just as fine
If it were about lesbian cowgirls any men who claim to watch it for the contreversy would be accused of being horny pervs. Thus it wouldnt recieve as much notice from the 'in' crowd.
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i'd think that gay chicks would be revered as awesome rather than not awesome by most men or people in general because isn't it cool to make out with another girl???
Not the impression I meant to convey, mainly by virtue of me repeatedly saying "In my experience" and the like I don't deny that lesbians face serious unpleasantness at times. However, I would say that much of it crosses over with the far more widespread misogyny in general, and that comments on their being homosexual is more to do with finding a button to push than being the basis of the prejudice.
I think the key difference overall is that Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal are/were pinned up all over the country on girl's walls. They're both seen as attractive guys by women, and we all know lots of girls find men in cowboy style clothes are considered 'hot'. If you had two girls that were pinups dressed up in attractive clothes, chances are the entire thing would be taken a lot less seriously by both hardline feminists and men (in general) alike. I know Nicole Kidman is considered attractive by a lot of people but I don't think they base that attraction on her portrayal of Virginia Woolf. It's just the way it goes, I guess. I find it has a parallels with comedians - men, attractive or not, are taken seriously... while very few attractive women succeed as comedians. I guess it's the way men are easily distracted by a woman's looks.
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This. The "OMG LESBIANS!!!" factor would mean that such a movie would be viewed as gratuitous male-oriented smut, especially coming from a male director. There're still some inherently different ways in which male and female homosexuality is treated, especially in the arts. Lesbianism has always had a stronger showing throughout history, and is more 'accepted' these days because its sexual side is a pleasing idea to most men. "I'm cool with it 'cause it's really smurfing hot". A very lopsided and misogynistic view, but that's most males for you.
For my part, I found Brokeback Mountain really hard-hitting and passionate. Damn fine movie. A few parallels to Wong Kar-wai's Happy Together, which I'd thoroughly recommend to just about anyone, but considerably different in its scope and depth.Yes indeed.
Most likely that was a gay porno involving the lack of condoms. Actually, I think I may have seen a porn video called "Bareback Mountain"...
I would wager that there is a significant amount of woman who if not sexually aroused by male homosexuality, at least carry a good interest. I mean there is a whole genre of manga, light novels and anime based around such a notion: Boy's Love. The genre is mostly fuelled by female authors creating stories about two (or three) guys who ultimately end up together. Their target audience is predominantly female. There is a separate genre that directed at gay men: bara. Also, I would agree with rubah that an overwhelming majority of slash-fiction authors are female.
Anyways, I think that in part a lesbian version of Brokeback, depending on how it was made, would be the target criticism of male objectification of women as sex objects. I'd also agree that female homosexuality is treated different from male homosexuality. As much as I would not deny what Moon Rabbits says, I still would think that lesbianism is more sociably acceptable. That is not to say that lesbians are not the target of homophobia but I believe that anyone who would commit homophobic acts of violence would most likely do so to either sex though perhaps in different ways. I would forward that the large part of society, especially heterosexual males, are more comfortable with the concept of lesbianism than gays. Then again there are most likely more powerful underlining issues at work that could be explored, such as male homosexuals would more likely be seen as a threat to a man's sexuality than a lesbian.
If most rocket scientists are men, are all men rocket scientists?
I don't think that just because most slash writers are women, suddenly this means a large proportion of women in general would jump at the chance to see some man lovin'. I don't think slash writers make up a large proportion of women (or people) at all.
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Points of Discussion:
1) Popularity of Brokeback Mountain: Well-told story? Don't know, haven't watched. Controversial subject? Definitely. Controversy enough reason to justify popularity? Possibly.
2) Popularity of Male scenes vs. Female scenes: The "adorable" nature of male love is mostly a migration from the Orient. Then again, my bet is that the concept remains the same for men liking girl-on-girl scenes. If either of the subjects partaking was considered ugly, the scene wouldn't be as "adorable" or "sexy." I don't know the extremes of male love popularity, but when it comes to girl-on-girl, guys don't usually enjoy the scene unless they know they have a shot with at least one of the girls. The girl doesn't have to be straight, just willing. If not, it's no fun.
3) Shudo (Male) vs. Lesbian (Female): I don't believe there is a greater acceptance for either. Anyone vying for greater acceptance of either is usually vying for acceptance of homosexuality altogether.
Each is discriminated against in similar and separate ways. Violence can be a common thread.
Men who openly discriminate against gay men are more often than not a part of a subconscious social regime. Whether this regime is founded on principle, religion, or fear of personal security, it's numbers remain stable.
Men who openly discriminate against lesbians are usually one of two classes. Either they're a part of the ssr (as above), or they're just dogs who don't know how to stop acting like dumbass teenagers. In the case of the latter, discrimination is usually an attempt to idolize oneself among a greater number of peers who dislike homosexuals. It's social/interpersonal security.
Other reasons include a sense of alpha-male insecurity: an attempt to prove to others one's ability to dominate. If a man is rejected by a woman, he might call her a lesbian even if she's not. Then again, he may yet approach a woman he knows is a lesbian and suggest that he can turn her straight. If he's rejected by a lesbian, a man's reactions can be far more varying.
Men (mostly of the alpha-male subgroup) tend to need to experience multple women. Some might say that men and women have different reasons for slutting around. Although there might be different reasons for this behavior the difference isn't found between the sexes. Anyway, (that was a little off-topic).
The last possible reasoning for a man to dislike lesbian relationships is the fear that all women will pair off and leave the men behind. This is probably due in part to jokes about men being stupid and unnecessary.
I state the following merely as an observation as I'm not a woman and my views are not proven as far as I know. Women tend to discriminate for separate reasons than would a man.
If a woman discriminates openly, she's likely well-grounded in personal belief whether principle or religious. Women tend to be more accepting of change because it is in their nature to be nurturing mother-figures. A woman's discrimination is usually less severe and abrupt than a man's. They mostly imply a lack of understanding or age, but even this behavior doesn't supercede their desire to support.
Men and women who discriminate openly are rarely found to be of different orientation themselves.