The 'WATCHMEN' Movie thread (MARK YOUR SPOILERS!)

[Magixion]

More people started laughing in my theater when you see(SPOILER) Doc Manhattan's man baggage for the first time.

[Brandless Goods]

(SPOILER)I'm not stuck in here with you guys. You're stuck in here with me!

Anyway. Decent movie. More or less what I expected. Holy too much blood and gore. Wow. Hard time watching. Is this what they show in the theater these days? And that sex scene. I swear I thought they accidentally switched the movie over to porntube.com or something. I think they over did it a little bit.

[edczxcvbnm]

I think it is funny how many people mention the violence and sex in the movie but I found that stuff to be very underwhelming and laughable XD It was so over the top I just couldn't take it seriously at all.

[Mercen-X]

I neglected to warn my girlfriend on Friday that this movie was Rated R. She was really surprised by the rape-attempt, violence, and sex (though that scene had her giggling awkwardly)... I'm gonna own it when it comes out.

To keep the original ending, they would have had to add all the previously mentioned subplots for it to make sense, and given that the movie was already two hours and forty-three minutes long, I can understand the resistence to such a thing.

"oh man, that was actually a panel from the graphic novel!"

I pretty much think those subplots were added to the comic to extend its run.

As for the "Oh man" moments, I had quite a few of those myself.

That kinda undermines the whole point of "Watchmen", though.

That's why there's a director's cut. People aren't able to sit in a theater for 2 1/2 hours with total strangers to watch a movie that gets darker and grittier as you move along. With no breaks in between, people start to come out of their awe-trance and wonder why they're supposed to be interested in this film. I'm currently taking a script-writing class, so I'd know and I'll tell you, the fact it's an entirely separate medium drastically effects the outcome. Hell, one of the writers of the original comic cursed it and swore he'd never watch it 'cause it'd never be able to capture the symbolism contained within the panels.

I also thought the fights were a bit over the top and crazy for people with no real super powers.

I had to figure these people were able to use their muscles in a different way... sending people flying with a punch, leaping 10 feet through the air, breaking walls with their fists...

[rubah]

Mercen-X, does your script writing class tell why directors stopped using intermissions? It seems like a tool that would be really useful with the ages long movies that have been released recently.

My theater wolfwhistled <spoilers>nakie nite owl standing wistfully in front of his suit</spoilers>

[Darkswordofchaos]

there was an intemition in grind house and in kung-POW!!!

[Del Murder]

(SPOILER)The original ending worked, because the attack was from an outside force. But Dr. Manhattan was an American citizen that, just two days prior, the rest of the world perceived as a god-like force protecting the U.S. Even if he did attack America, as well, that fact isn't gonna make the rest of the world sympathize with America. They would likely blame America for creating him and causing the mess.

Yeah, I agree with that. (SPOILER)It didn't make much sense to me that the world would come together under the threat by Dr. Manhattan. He was created by the US and worked for them for years. This was their mistake. If anything this should cause animosity towards the US even more.

I liked the movie and I think it was adapted really well. It definitely helped to read the novel beforehand.

Man, what a dark outlook on morality though.

[Mercen-X]

Yeah. How they reached the ending doesn't really work, but ah hell, I don't really know how the world would have reacted during the Cold War.

Mercen-X, does your script-writing class tell why directors stopped using intermissions? It seems like a tool that would be really useful with the ages long movies that have been released recently.

Haven't come to that point. I'll bring it up in class and find out.

By the way... as to your following statement, you should really hit the SPOILER BUTTON as opposed to trying to type it out.

[Del Murder]

Or just use BB code instead of HTML.

[Depression Moon]

I thought it was a good film overall, but I thought I should have gave myself a little time before seeing it. I saw it just after a week I finished reading the book. The movie felt short to me probably because I was wondering the whole if they were going to put in this part and this part. I thought they could have improved on the tragedy of Manhattan and I frankly thought overall it should have been two films. I don't believe that the audience not familiar to the book didn't quite get the emotion I had when I had just finished reading the book for the 1st time a week ago.
I also thought they were going to take this opportunity to fix a couple of mistakes from the book in the film like Owl's and Laurie's sex scenes. The first two occur way to frequently one after another and it was the same in the film, they made it a little more fun I guess, but I didn't like it. Dr. Manhattan's Mars talk with Laurie seemed rush, a lot of the movie did and I was looking forward to Laurie sprawling on the ground for air, but they didn't put that in. it was a little disappointing. If it was two films I think it would have gave that same since of epic and passion. The opening credits were great.

All in all I give it a 7.5

[Darkswordofchaos]

Yeah, I agree with that. (SPOILER)It didn't make much sense to me that the world would come together under the threat by Dr. Manhattan. He was created by the US and worked for them for years. This was their mistake. If anything this should cause animosity towards the US even more.

I Thought about this and i came to the conclusion that since all the other contries hated MR. M, that they thought (SPOILER)since he attacked america that we would try to kill him and they want him dead to cause if he can blow us up he can blow them up, plus all the trouble hes already caused them. they would use this to their advantage and join us to deafeat a mutal enemy.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend

[Winter Nights]

Yeah, I agree with that. (SPOILER)It didn't make much sense to me that the world would come together under the threat by Dr. Manhattan. He was created by the US and worked for them for years. This was their mistake. If anything this should cause animosity towards the US even more.

I Thought about this and i came to the conclusion that since all the other contries hated MR. M, that they thought (SPOILER)since he attacked america that we would try to kill him and they want him dead to cause if he can blow us up he can blow them up, plus all the trouble hes already caused them. they would use this to their advantage and join us to deafeat a mutal enemy.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend

That's true, but (SPOILER)it would in no way bring a final end of the war, like Adrien wanted. At least with the alien invasion scenario, while the possibility remained that the war would eventually resurface, mankind was coming together as a whole prepare for something worse than themselves. Aliens would be a whole new ballgame, that would make each country's issues seem quite petty. The movie ends with mankind uniting to deal with what could only really be seen as a mess America made, as far as they know anyway. The hatred would re-build faster and the problem would restart within a few years, most like.

I really had no problems with them changing the ending due to time issues, as long as they got the theme of the ending right. But, with several new bits added to build to the new ending, plus the fact that the ending feels safer but not-so-well planned, I'm starting to think that Snyder knew the original ending would be pretty out there for the average viewer and just chickened out.

[The Man]

(SPOILER)Dr Manhattan is definitely "something worse than themselves" as well though; it's pretty clearly spelled out that (SPOILER)he has Godlike powers. Any criticisms the world would have about America would be pretty much neutralised by the fact that (SPOILER)we lost several of our largest cities, I feel.

As regards the comment about morality - yeah, pretty much. Moore clearly intends to highlight the absurdity of both utilitarian and ontological moralities when both are taken to fundamentalist-like extremes - (SPOILER)Adrian is willing to kill millions in order to avert the chance of nuclear war, Rorschach is willing to risk further hostilities in order to satisfy his desires that evildoers be further punished. While this could incidentally be seen as a betrayal of Rorschach's principles due to the fact that he was okay with Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I think it's worth pointing out that Truman a) was in a position of elected authority, unlike Veidt, and b) was acting fully aboveboard, with the world's complete knowledge. Although I do have other issues with Truman's action as well, I find no contradiction here, and Rorschach is probably the character whose actions in the GN/film offend conventional morality the least, with the possible exceptions of Nite Owl/Silk Spectre.

[Winter Nights]

(SPOILER)Dr Manhattan is definitely "something worse than themselves" as well though; it's pretty clearly spelled out that (SPOILER)he has Godlike powers. Any criticisms the world would have about America would be pretty much neutralised by the fact that (SPOILER)we lost several of our largest cities, I feel.

Possibly, but given that (SPOILER)he is an American citizen, whose powers were created in an American government research facility and has spent the last 20 years keeping all of America's enemies at bay through fear, only to have America drive him away over a cancer scare... I kinda doubt anyone would be sympathetic to America, as it would likely be seen as (SPOILER)America breeding the ultimate attack dog, not bothering to put it on a chain, and then beating it until it trusts no one.

[The Man]

In the post-Bush era it definitely would be, but in the Eighties most of the world didn't seem to hate America that much. Then again this is an alternate Eighties when Nixon had been president for 16+ years, but still.