Do you think Cloud is Emo

[The Turk]

Haha, or maybe after seeing Vincent Cena thought "damn, my life could be worse" and cheered up.

Or maybe "Gee, if I don't stop this moping I will end up like him..."

[Wolf Kanno]

I bet it was:

"Oh my god... Have I sunken so low that I'm getting a 'pep talk' from Captain Emo?! Holy smurf! I need to get off my ass..."

[LunarWeaver]

I think we can assume that's part of it. I'm sure he cares for Denzel a lot and is rather upset he's dying and looks like Roxas.

But Aerith and Zack, yeah, he's hung up. I'm sure he wants to love Tifa but feels guilty too. Especially since Aerith seems to be watching from afar quite a bit, the creepy ho.

I believe at the end of the film this is remedied. He was smilie again. Everyone is cured. His friends showed up when he needed them. He got some closure on the Aerith issue too, I'm think. He saw her and Zack walking away. I'm he sure finally put it together that they were banging each other all the time in the afterlife so he might as well do the same to Tifa.

I'm just saying I'm not sure I would call him emo. I think wrapped up in some problems, but that can happen to anybody. I personally wouldn't call him overboard with it all, but I can see why others would. That's probably because I would get hung up on the past too since I'm just like that. I would be even worse than he is. Maybe I'm an emo! I need tight pants.

[Wolf Kanno]

I need tight pants.

You sexy beast

[Anniexo]

I don't think he was emo in the first disk of the game, he was more of a 'I don't care about anything' then he became 'I want to protect what I care for' half way though then when Arise died he did seem a little emoish because he cared for her.

[squiike]

Did never think of Cloud as emo until i saw FF AC. goddamn, but what was to be expected? all the "cool" Japanese stereotypes are emo. Why cant men be MEN anymore?

Im not saying im into woman beating and not showing emotions ever. But were turning metrosexual here! haha

[Darkswordofchaos]

I dont think he is Emo. Emo kids cut therselves cloud cuts others, i think he is a dark anti-hero who just so happens to be so deranged that he combined his and his bestfriends' lives into one enigmatic conundrum called cloud. but thats whats great about him, i mean how often is the hero a dark(but not emo) crazie person??

[arcanedude34]

No, I think in AC he was just kinda bummed that he was dying of an incurable disease.

WHAT!?!?

Thanks for the spoiler, Jusswehhhh♪.

It's not a spoiler, it's revealed in like, the first five minutes.

[Moon Rabbits]

Did never think of Cloud as emo until i saw FF AC. goddamn, but what was to be expected? all the "cool" Japanese stereotypes are emo. Why cant men be MEN anymore?

Im not saying im into woman beating and not showing emotions ever. But were turning metrosexual here! haha

What is being masculine if it is not being cruel and unemotional?

[LunarWeaver]

Wearing a cowboy hat.

[Wolf Kanno]

Wow, you all have a very warped perception of masculinity and I thought I was the misanthrope.

I don't think having feelings is a bad thing for a male character. The main trait Cloud has that bugs me is that he wallows in self pity and doesn't take real action until it seems like its too late. He literally has to be pushed into action. He has two very long conversations about his feelings while the bad guys are kidnapping kids and filling them up with "Sephy juice" and instead of "Holy smurf, I got people to save!" he instead thinks "Wow, I'm worthless, I couldn't save Aerith or Zack and now I can't save the children... Hold me Tifa! Hold me Vincent!"

He has to be constantly comforted or scolded to finally move into action. He's was not this bad in the game mind you; but in the Compilation titles I feel he's a few steps away from the bad emo stereotype.

I just wish he prioritized better. Had there been no "Resurrect Sephy" plot going on in AC and it was just Cloud living his life after Meteorfall then his attitude in the movie may have been a bit more acceptable. Even though it goes against the fact that he and his companions already came to terms with Aerith's death back in the second disc of the game; so it still seems weird he's suddenly gone back on this revelation so he can do a "second take" with more crying and whining. Its this retconning of character growth and events that makes it impossible for me to enjoy this movie or the Compilation in general.

[squiike]

Wow, you all have a very warped perception of masculinity and I thought I was the misanthrope.

well enlighten us then, master of knowledge about emo

[Wolf Kanno]

Its more about the idea that masculinity is beating women, showing no emotion except cruelty... That's like saying being feminine is crying all the time, being uncontrollably emotional, and pleasing their man.

[champagne supernova]

But Cloud may have pushed his guilt issues to one side to defeat Sephiroth, and replaced them temporarily with vengeance. He wanted to defeat Sephiroth for many reasons, but perhaps one of the biggest reasons was to avenge Aerith's and Zack's lives (obviously saving the world was high up there, and his mum's life, but trying to focus it a bit).

The moment he defeated Sephiroth, he realised nothing had changed. Avenging their lives didn't bring anyone back from the dead. And now he lacked a purpose, so all he was able to do was look at his problems. He never confronted the majority of the issues, like the burning down of Nibelheim, or Aerith's death, because he was basically unable to do so, due to the fact that he had to stop Sephiroth. Now, that was all he could do.

It's kind of how some people deal with trauma by digging themselves into so much work that they can't think about it. Cloud did that with Sephiroth, but the moment that was done, he had little left to do. And yes, he used his disease as an excuse to get away from Tifa, because he didn't want to be around her as he felt a complete failure.

I think the speech between Vincent and Cloud was supposed to illustrate how Cloud had followed onto Vincent's path. Vincent isolated himself completely from the world, so he could brood on his failure to protect someone close to him. He was also looking for forgiveness and redemption from someone who was dead. Likewise, Cloud felt responsible for Aerith's death, and wanted to brood on his failure.

So, I guess that means Cloud is emo. But I think he had a right to feel emo, based on the original events. And he has other flaws, such as the immense lack of self-confidence and self-hatred. But that's what makes him quite interesting.

[tebian]

But Cloud may have pushed his guilt issues to one side to defeat Sephiroth, and replaced them temporarily with vengeance. He wanted to defeat Sephiroth for many reasons, but perhaps one of the biggest reasons was to avenge Aerith's and Zack's lives (obviously saving the world was high up there, and his mum's life, but trying to focus it a bit)

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So, I guess that means Cloud is emo. But I think he had a right to feel emo, based on the original events. And he has other flaws, such as the immense lack of self-confidence and self-hatred. But that's what makes him quite interesting.

hehe ok reading all this b4 my coffee was EMO.. omgosh

You got my vote on Cloud being EMO but he has to be one of the most complicated of the characters ever made in the series. He could easily carry another side story of some kind like Vincent or Zack. I wonder if anyone ever thought to write book using him. They do that a lot for FFXI, would be cool to explain his feelings in text form.